Blazer vs. Passat

My freind wants to race me. My Blazer vs. his Passat
My Blazer is stock 4.3L 190hp at 4400rpm and the Passat is a stock 1.8 turbo with 170hp automatic
He says he will beat me. But Im not sure if I could beat a 1.8turbo.
Could I win?

In the 1/4 mile, a passat will win. You may get the jump off the line with the superior torque of the 4.3L, but he'll pass you probably before 1/2 track and leave you behind.

Here's the stats courtesy of Edmunds.com:

2002 Passat 1.8T FWD - Curb Weight 3225lbs - 170hp @ 5900rpm - 166lbft @ 1950rpm - 18.97lb/hp - 8.2sec 0-60mph
1997 Blazer 4.3L 4WD - Curb Weight 4050lbs - 190hp @ 4400rpm - 250lbft @ 2500rpm - 21.32lb/hp - 9.3sec 0-60mph

I had to use a 2002 Passat stats because you never specified the year, but the 2001 Passat 1.8T only had 150hp.

Thanks! He also has a 01 S-10 2.2L with 120hp
Edmunds didnt have a 0-60 time for it.
Clould he beat me in that too?

No, you should be able to beat a I4 S10.

I'll lend you my Xr-7.. It will beat the turbo passat.. dont ask how I know.. its against forum rules.

i say put some work into your blazer then race him....with a few added extras u whould be able to take a stock passat....least i think, anyone else agree?

well i ran a MKV Jetta. same car basically. only this one wasnt turbo

She had a CAI, full custom exhaust and some other ricer crap.

I just have a CAI and catbak exhaust. Ran her the whole run Luckily we ran out of room for the race so i won. if it woulda kept goin she woulda takin me

My blazer might take it... Its pre-vortech 160hp stock, but the stuff done to it,, according to the man who built it should be making 200-210hp.

Bored over .40/ some fancy camshaft from and I quote "from a recreational vehicle", I dont know much about that../ cylinder heads ported and polished etc, catalytic converter delete

Well, if the statistics I gave above are correct, he already has you by 1.1 seconds to 60mph... That's a tough hole to climb out of...

In order to match his power to weight ratio, you'd need to gain ~30hp just to match the 18.97lb/hp. So you'd need to be putting down 220hp atleast and that's without sacrifices in the torque curve to hurt you further. The hole shot is in your favor, but the weight of the truck is like a boat anchor. That's not even bringing the gear ratios into play, which may be in your favor in the 1/4...

I did find a *stock* time of 15.462 sec @ 90.93 mph for a 2001 VW Passat GLS 1.8T, but it states that he has a CAI and it's a manual trans car... Also... A 1998 Blazer LS with a flowmaster cat back and K&N intake running 16.4 sec @ 80.0 mph, but it doesn't state 4wd or 2wd... A general rule of thumb in the 1/4 is +10hp = -100lbs = -0.1sec, but even that has its limits... However, based on that, if you could drop 200-300lbs from the truck (think spare tire, additional seats, carpet, etc), you'd stand a chance...

*EDIT* - noticed an error in the weight of the VW. Changed it there and updated this posts math. Also had a problem with the weight of the Blazer. Things are looking much closer now...

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I did find a *stock* time of 15.462 sec @ 90.93 mph for a 2001 VW Passat GLS 1.8T

Cougar send VeeeDUB packin'.. Oh snap!!! I just dropped it like its hot, yo... lol.. love those commericals..

"Factory stock"??? lol.. I dont know the meaning of the word

1.1 deficit, you = owned


What is done to the blazer? intake? Intakes add little to nothing at the rear wheels where it counts, those HP specs are at the crankshaft not the rear wheels, its about a 15% drivetrain loss with rear wheel drive, atleast thats what the engine and chassis dynos have proven to me on my camino.


Its an SUV take it in the dirt not the track, leave the track to fast cars and the streets to the public.

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ORIGINAL: DetroitMuscle

1.1 deficit, you = owned


What is done to the blazer? intake? Intakes add little to nothing at the rear wheels where it counts, those HP specs are at the crankshaft not the rear wheels, its about a 15% drivetrain loss with rear wheel drive, atleast thats what the engine and chassis dynos have proven to me on my camino.


Its an SUV take it in the dirt not the track, leave the track to fast cars and the streets to the public.

Youre right,, thats what the Cougar is for... I wasnt the owner of my Blazer when that stuff was done to the engine... I bought it because it was cheap.

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ORIGINAL: DetroitMuscle

1.1 deficit, you = owned


What is done to the blazer? intake? Intakes add little to nothing at the rear wheels where it counts, those HP specs are at the crankshaft not the rear wheels, its about a 15% drivetrain loss with rear wheel drive, atleast thats what the engine and chassis dynos have proven to me on my camino.


Its an SUV take it in the dirt not the track, leave the track to fast cars and the streets to the public.

Youre right,, thats what the Cougar is for... I wasnt the owner of my Blazer when that stuff was done to the engine... I bought it because it was cheap.

Wasnt meaning it towards you, I mean if its fast sure take it and make some money at the track but if its a daily driver treat it like one and dont abuse it. Going Fast= Broken Parts.


All it does is feed the SUV asshole stereotype of being a road hog and offensive drivers if you mess around on the street in plain view of any public.

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ORIGINAL: DetroitMuscle

1.1 deficit, you = owned


What is done to the blazer? intake? Intakes add little to nothing at the rear wheels where it counts, those HP specs are at the crankshaft not the rear wheels, its about a 15% drivetrain loss with rear wheel drive, atleast thats what the engine and chassis dynos have proven to me on my camino.


Its an SUV take it in the dirt not the track, leave the track to fast cars and the streets to the public.

Youre right,, thats what the Cougar is for... I wasnt the owner of my Blazer when that stuff was done to the engine... I bought it because it was cheap.

Wasnt meaning it towards you, I mean if its fast sure take it and make some money at the track but if its a daily driver treat it like one and dont abuse it. Going Fast= Broken Parts.


All it does is feed the SUV asshole stereotype of being a road hog and offensive drivers if you mess around on the street in plain view of any public.

I know what you mean. Im not really sure what my Blazer will do... Its old and quite frankly it scares me anyway... My Cougar is pretty decent.. It will do mid 15s with just me in it and no stereo crap in the trunk, so Id have my hands full with a manual passat according to the time provided.. I ran down a Jetta turbo (already pointed out its similar to Passat),, assuming it was an automatic given the provided track times...

Only 15's? Must be a V6

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ORIGINAL: DetroitMuscle

Only 15's? Must be a V6

No sir, 4.6 Modular SOHC 220hp estimated. The V6s that they put in those things were dogs, I think they run 17s.

Wow..... I hope you got alot planned for it.

Check DSS.




How heavy are they? 4k+ ?

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ORIGINAL: DetroitMuscle

Wow..... I hope you got alot planned for it.

Check DSS.




How heavy are they? 4k+ ?

4,950 lbs according to the sticker in drivers side door well.

Oh, I have nothing planned too fancy for now.. I have a Cold air and about 100 pounds dropped out of the trunk (spare tire, scissor jack and some trunk padding). I'll probably put a computer programmer in it next spring (Im taking it off the road the first appearence of salt on the roads- winters get rough here).. I have a loan on it, so Id like to get payments on it before I do anything wild (Had it since April)... A factory stock Lincoln Mark VIII DOHC will bolt right on to the tranny and with the torque converter from it will make it run high 13s from my research. With dual 3 magnaflows.. Jasper has a reman. DOHC for I think 3500 with the core charge. Dont know what or if theyd take the SOHC for a core though.

i beat a couple of those before.. hahha they get so madd.hahhaha. but i have trans work and a reprogrammed pcm..so i can run a 14.7 in the 1/4. i have 01 2dr. 2wd. too.

I'm gonna call BS on that time. So you are saying that you've picked up over 1 second on a stock 2dr 2wd truck with your mods??? What was your trap speed? How about your 60' time or 1/8th time/speed?

My Bonneville with more power (240hp stock), about the same weight, and more torque (280ftlb stock) only runs 14.84sec in the 1/4 for my personal best. I highly doubt that you've picked up 50hp and 30ftlb with a PCM and trans work...

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I'm gonna call BS on that time. So you are saying that you've picked up over 1 second on a stock 2dr 2wd truck with your mods??? What was your trap speed? How about your 60' time or 1/8th time/speed?

My Bonneville with more power (240hp stock), about the same weight, and more torque (280ftlb stock) only runs 14.84sec in the 1/4 for my personal best. I highly doubt that you've picked up 50hp and 30ftlb with a PCM and trans work...

Maybe 30 at best... Whats the programmer good for? 20 would be generous.

Now, trans work, while shortening and firming up shifts, it will not increase the performance of the vehicle. It will result in less wear on the clutches, but not lower the hp loss through the transmission.

And some of the best all-in-one PCM programmers are good for maybe 15hp, 20hp MAX. A custom burn may yield 25hp TOPS, but with no other mods, you'd be hard pressed.

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Now, trans work, while shortening and firming up shifts, it will not increase the performance of the vehicle. It will result in less wear on the clutches, but not lower the hp loss through the transmission.

And some of the best all-in-one PCM programmers are good for maybe 15hp, 20hp MAX. A custom burn may yield 25hp TOPS, but with no other mods, you'd be hard pressed.

Now, firming up shifts might improve the 1/4 mile times SLIGHTLY without giving any horsepower, but would mostly serve the purpose of saving the transmission right? 14s??? in a Blazer? Im not sure who would want to let alone claim to be able to...

call all the bs you want. i have a custom trans. no simple mods like a lot of people run. i have a custom servo not a corvette one. it doesnt shift out of 1st till 40. and other trans mods. i have 3.42 rearend. as the the pcm its a custom tune not a programer. and with the trans work we were able to squeze a couple more #'s out of the motor by adjusting the trans electronically. plus when i race i run a smaller tires in the rear for added traction and to give it a little more gear. Some of you people need to put your calculators away and learn to feel a car. ive learned that, cause every car is different even tho they are supposed to be the same. any way back to the subject its not bs lol

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call all the bs you want. i have a custom trans. no simple mods like a lot of people run. i have a custom servo not a corvette one. it doesnt shift out of 1st till 40. and other trans mods. i have 3.42 rearend. as the the pcm its a custom tune not a programer. and with the trans work we were able to squeze a couple more #'s out of the motor by adjusting the trans electronically. plus when i race i run a smaller tires in the rear for added traction and to give it a little more gear. Some of you people need to put your calculators away and learn to feel a car. ive learned that, cause every car is different even tho they are supposed to be the same. any way back to the subject its not bs lol

Good, then back it up with a dyno sheet and a timeslip... thanks...