Getting distraught with problem *photos added*
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Getting distraught with problem *photos added* - 10/23/2007 12:16:43 AM
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vankuen
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Newly acquired 99 Zr2...
Recent Maintenance:
U-joint replacement
oil change
transmission fluid
front and rear differential fluids
coolant flush
upper/lower ball joint replacement on right-front hub
4-wheel alignment
all wheels balanced
I STILL get a "whub whub whub" noise accompanied by a synched vibration that increases in both speed and intensity the faster I go (which to this point has been 90mph). Visual inspection shows that the top of the tire sticks out further relative to the driver side wheel--as if it has too much positive camber (keeping in mind I've had the alignment done already).
I noticed that turning right increases the loudness of the whub-whub, whereas turning left helps to diminish it seemingly.
What do you all think I'm looking at? Bad tire, bad hub? Framework? What's the likely suspect for this car assuming there's been no abuse or accident?
< Message edited by vankuen -- 10/24/2007 8:26:44 AM >
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 12:18:20 AM
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thegr81
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i would say hub possibly or bearing but a whub whub sounds like a tire sound though in my opinion like a swamper sound or just a big tire sound
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 5:33:36 AM
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swartlkk
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Way to narrow it down there man! LOL
Anyway, check the tire for uneven wear or saw-toothing of the tread. If you find uneven wear, try rotating that tire to the back and live with it until it is time to replace the set. This isn't so much an issue with 4wd vehicles as it is on AWD vehicles, but to a certain extent, uneven tread depth (and subsequently tire height) can cause some problems even on a 4wd. If your tires are fairly new and you have the $$ to replace the affected tire, then you shouldn't have any problems.
Next would be to check the left front bearing for play. Jack up the front end of the truck and support it on jackstands. With your hands at 12 & 6 o'clock on the wheel, push in on the top and pull on the bottom, then alternate back and forth, feeling for any play. If you have play, you then have to determine if the play is in the bearing or the ball joints. Since the ball joints were just recently replaced, you *should* be able to rule them out. With a 4wd, it is much more difficult to narrow down a bearing that is just noisy and has very little play in it. Due to your description of the sound, it sounds like the bearing is pretty far along... You should be able to determine the cause of the noise.
Hope this helps!
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 6:39:53 AM
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thegr81
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i try to narrow it down or at least spark up some other diagnostic from someone else if i don't know what it is lol
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 9:02:28 AM
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vankuen
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Sorry, I should have put down what else has gone on. Didn't have time last night.
I've done an underside inspection of the entire area, even measurments relative to the driver side. Things visually look alright (other than the excess "camber"). The tires (the original, more worn tire was already rotated straight back and the current right-front was the right-rear when I originally purchased it) themselves don't seem to have any "sawtoothing" of the main body on the section width, but there is excessive wear on the far outside of the tread, just like having too much positive camber on a race tire.
If I go and buy a new hub (since I have to replace the ABS sensor anyway that I think was torn out when they replaced the ball joints) I should get a new bearing with it as well no?
I saw them on ebay for like $159 or so....
All the tires are pretty new too...except for that abnormal wear....damn shame.
< Message edited by vankuen -- 10/23/2007 9:04:45 AM >
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 9:27:11 AM
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Jigg
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The hub/bearing is all one assembly on these trucks. It can be had for $84.95.
Another possible culprit is the CV shaft. Has yours leaked any grease? (it'd be green and all over the frame near the front diff).
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 9:56:27 AM
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vankuen
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Nope...I didn't notice anything abnormal about the CV boots, nothing seems to be torn, and I didn't see any grease anywhere. But I also didn't look at the CV's too closely in particular. I would think that with CV joint damage that there would be noises like popping when I'm turning at low speeds--which I do not experience.
But I know little about these trucks...so I appreciate the help guys...I really do. I just wish I knew as much about this truck as I do my car.
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 9:59:42 AM
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swartlkk
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As Jigg stated, the hub is the bearing, it's one assembly. The hub/bearing will come with a new ABS sensor.
I'll also agree with Jigg on the CV shaft. Didn't think of that one the first time through. Other symptoms of a worn CV shaft is a clicking at full steering lock when moving. With that you are correct.
And knowledge will come with time and experience working on it! Don't get discouraged!!
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 10:10:23 AM
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vankuen
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Hmmm....well....I'll take a look at the underside again. Here's the thing that we haven't yet addressed:
Which might have an affect on how the wheel's "camber" sits? I.E. which is more likely to cause the top of the wheel to sit farther outside of the wheel well than it's supposed to?
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 10:24:52 AM
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Be careful with the cheaper stuff... You can't be guaranteed a long life out of those products.
Timken and SKF are two of the best bearing companies out there and make great replacement bearings for our trucks. BCA/National are ok as well, but the thing with that deal there is that they don't specify the manufacturer... I can say for sure that it isn't Timken or SKF. Heck, even the BCA/National bearings are almost the same price as the Timken ones I found.
Anyway, on the camber, that is changed via an cam bolt(s) where the control arm mounts to the frame. I cannot remember if it is the upper or lower control arm that is used though. This is something that should have been corrected for when the alignment was performed. At the very least, if there was something prohibiting them from properly setting the camber, they should have informed you.
How long has it been since you had the alignment done? Have you cranked your torsion bars?
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 11:19:14 AM
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Jigg
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The bearings i was referring to (which, unfortunately I cannot post a link to, since i own the business that sells them), are made by the same company that makes Timken's bearings. I run them on both sides of my ZR2, with 1.25" spacers and 33x12.50 tires and have had zero issues. They're definitely a quality unit.
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 11:27:34 AM
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swartlkk
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Sounds good Jigg! I just know that there are good bearing manufacturers and bad bearing manufacturers. Definitely want to get the good ones because a hub/bearing replacement isn't something to be repeated often!
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 11:45:59 AM
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THIS is the link since Jigg cant post it
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RE: Getting distraught with problem - 10/23/2007 5:48:12 PM
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vankuen
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Awesome info and thanks for the link. So the one that I posted is definitely a no-go then, right?
Here's some visuals for you guys, I took them today. Oh and the maintence that I mentioned in the first post was all done about a month ago 9/25/2007.
Driver side
Passenger side
Here's a couple clips of the ball joints and the general underside:
< Message edited by vankuen -- 10/23/2007 5:55:40 PM >
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