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dueling fuel pumps - 11/17/2007 9:09:53 AM
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punx.inc
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okay guys, i got a problem here. i bought an 86 k5. it came from the factory with a 305 4bbl. wheni bought it, it didnt have an engine cuz it was blown up. it took a 350 out of a 77 k10 pickup, and threw it into the blazer. now here is where things get interesting. the blazer has a fuel pump at the tank, that puts out around 60 psi (that number could be wrong. my father is the one who looked at the fuel pump at the tank). the engine has a pump on it, too, that puts out 14 psi. we aren't sure what to do. the blazer looks like it was set up to have fuel injection (whichi dont understand, because the vin and everything says it came with a carb). do we have to take the pump out of the tank, or can we just remove the fuse, or can we use the pump in the tank AND the pump on the engine with the addition of a pressure reducer valve (if they even make one). we are stuck, we don't know what do. can somebody please throw us a bone.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 11/17/2007 9:56:58 AM
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You only want about 7.5lbs fuel pressure to the carb.
You have a number of options. I would probably bolt on an aftermarket electric fuel pump on the frame rail, connect to the fuel line on the outlet side of the tank pump, remove the fuse for the in tank pump and bypass the engine fuel pump.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 11/17/2007 10:04:10 AM
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punx.inc
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we thought about taking thefuse out, but we werent sure if it would still pump the fuel through that pump. why wouldnt the pump on the engine work? its a rebuilt engine with an aftermarket carb.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 11/18/2007 12:13:41 AM
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I don't actually know if the fuel would still come through the in-tank pump if you removed the fuse, but you could test it by removing the fuse and just running the pump on the engine to see if you get fuel.
My concern about using the fuel pump on the engine is that you said it puts out 14 psi. I believe that at 14 psi you would have to much pressure into the carb and it would push up on the float, lift the needle off the seat and flood the engine. You could use the 14 psi pump if you installed a pressure regulator between the pump and the carb.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 11/18/2007 2:25:24 PM
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Terry,
First of all congrats for making home from worlds largest litter box.
If memory serves me correct the first year for factory fuel injection on a K5 blazer was 87.(TBI)
Reading your post I am just a little confused (ok, a little more than normal ) In the begining you stated you have a fuel pump (at the tank), but later you ask if you can pull the pump (out of the tank). If the pump is in the tank I would suspect that you have a VERY late production Blazer for the 86 model year. I personally have never heard of an 86 with factory installed fuel injection, but lots of things can happen at the end of a production run (esp when a change is forthcoming,...... carb to fuel injection for example.) I have to assume one of the following,without knowing what pump you currently have. (in tank or external electric, stock or after market)
(1) The previous owner installed the pump to try and overcome a pump volume or pressure issue.(maybe the stock pump itself failed) Fuel pumps are better at pushing fuel (with the pump mounted close to the fuel tank) than pulling it (with the pump mounted to the engine block)
(2) The previous owner istalled an aftermarket fuel injection system, (Holley,Edelbrock,etc)
(3) It truely is a factory installed system (unlikely but possible).
So let's look at some options.
(1) Assuming that the pump at( or in) the tank is functioning correctly, then you could just add a block off plate to the the engine block where the mechanical pump would bolt up. Then add a fuel pressure regulator as close to the carb as possible, set the pressure to 6.5-7 psi and you're done.
(2) You could remove the electric pump, and go back to the old style mechanical pump( with associated fuel lines) and you're done.
(3) You could leave the electric pump in place, connect the fuel line to the mechanical pump, and add a pressure regulator before the carb.
Any of the above will work, but you have to ask yourself how am I going to drive it, what do I want to spend, and how much work do I want to do.
Be advised that with the electric pump, if it doesn't have an internal bypass, (built in) or you don't run a seperate return line, then the pump will "dead head" against the pressure regulator, and over time (and it won't be long) the pump will overheat and wear itself out.
If you decide to leave the electric pump in place but not operational (unpluged, fuse pulled, etc.) and just add a mechanical pump, then you are going to work the mechanical pump harder due to increased restriction thru the electric pump. (think wear and possible vapor lock issues)
Hope this helps, if you have any questions just ask.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 11/18/2007 5:53:53 PM
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thanks for all of the advice guys. i think what we are going to do is just go with the pump on the engine. before we pulled it, the engine ran great its whole life, so i think we will stick with it for now. we are going to just pull the fuse for now and then get rid of the pump at the tank here pretty soon. me and my father too are confused as hell about the fuel injection. im getting the car history for it, so i can talk to all of the previous owners about it.
okay, another problem with the old 86. i mentioned in another post that there is an electric fuel pump at the tank. well, it wont shut off. its not all the time though. it has happened twice now. the pump keeps pumping when the truck is off, and kills the battery. there is a small leak in the fuel line, evidenlty, too. it wont leak when the truck is running, oranything. but the two times i shut off the truck and pump has stayed on, it hasforced it through the tiny ass hole. any ideas as to why it's not shutting off all the time? you can read about my other problems in my other posts, if you have any questions.
To avoid confusion and keep the information all in one thread, moving post to dueling fuel pumps.
< Message edited by Chevy Lover -- 12/7/2007
< Message edited by Chevy Lover -- 12/7/2007 5:34:37 PM >
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 12/7/2007 5:35:02 PM
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So what is powering the in tank pump and why can't you remove the power to it?
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 12/7/2007 5:58:24 PM
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we thoughtit would be a fuse, but, we cant finda fuse to it. so i guess we'll just have to trace the power. honestly i dont want to pull the power to it, cuz im afraid it will burn up the pump in the engine. but i guess ill have to, since we cant figure out why it wont shut off when the truck is turned off.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 12/8/2007 1:19:43 AM
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Are you using the engine oil pressure switch from the '86 or the '77?
The wiring for the '86 may have a feed wire to the fuel pump that feeds the pump after the engine is running. ( this is designed so that if the engine loses oil pressure the fuel pump sill shut off)
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 12/8/2007 2:29:52 PM
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neither. we bought a whole new manual oil pressure gauge for the truck.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 1/12/2008 3:20:25 PM
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If the eletric pump is not in the tank, then I recommend removing it all together. The lines have to hook to the pump somehow, therefore, you can install a piece of fuel hose in place of the pump. This would prevent extra added stress on the mechanical pump. If the pump is in the tank, then purchase a sending unit for a previous model year or on of the same year with a mechanical pump. That too would reduce the amount of stress on the mechanical pump. And aince you stated you don't have a fuel leak when the pump is not running or the truck is not running, then that would fix your leak.
Just a note, if it is a factory installed electric pump, that would suggest you had a throttle body injection system. This being said, the factory fuel pump outpit is roughly 16psi. The operating pressure would then be around 13 to 14psi. I used the factory electric fuel pump in my montecarly when I put a 330hp 355cid small block in it. I had a Holley 750 double pumper w/ manual secondaries. I used a Holley adjustable fuel pressure regulator that I purchased at Summit Racing Equipment. I set my operating pressure at the carb inlet between 7 and 8psi. I did not have a return line and the fuel filter that was on the car when I bought it in 98 was the same on that was on it in 06 when I sold it. The only problem I ever had with the fuel delivery system was when the ground wire terminal risted off teh tank and everything quit running.
Good luck. I'm curious to see what you come up with.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 1/17/2008 5:58:41 PM
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Hello Blazer Forum Members,I have a new problem on my 1999 Chev.Blazer LT 4.3L.I went to the car wash and washed the engine off with degreaser,It never would re-start after that.I had to call a flat bed wrecker to take me home.It ran really good going to the car wash.The only thing before that I did was put a new in-line fuel filter in and change the engine oil.I checked the fuel rail for gas and it had 60 psi.It has fire coming out of the coil to the dist. cap.It acts like it is no gas at the injectors.I wonder if it has gone into stop mode on the control module.Any one ever seen anything like this?Thanks for your help.Hotrod28.
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RE: dueling fuel pumps - 1/17/2008 6:04:14 PM
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hotrod, please create a new thread on this subject.. I see nothing similar to your problem in this thread...
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