Whole system is installed...but problems!!!
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/19/2007 8:20:45 PM
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hillbillyinOhio
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What are your amps doing? are they shutting off?? How did you set your gains?? Where is your ground wire at??? how did you get power to both amps?? (seperate power wires from batt or into a distro block)
and I wouldnt install a cap anywhere. at all.
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/19/2007 8:35:28 PM
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cloak01ls
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It sounds like your sub amp's gain is improperly set and you are experiencing 'clipping' at 50% volume and above. Gain is not a volume knob, most people think that it is. you should check where this is set. It should not be up any more than about 75% in general...Theres a more precise way to set your gains but is usually a bit hard if you dont have a tuned ear for sound...
As far as the capacitor if you have allready purchased this I would advise you to either return/sell it if you can, or just put it on your mids/highs amp...
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/19/2007 8:35:59 PM
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nofear17bmx
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No cap at all? A cap is like a second battery right...everyone tells me to install one unless I want my alternator/battery to die.
Anyways the 4 channel amp is powering the speakers, 2 channel the subs. A main power feed comes to the rear into a distro block and powers the two amps. Grounds are good, right to the frame...
I havnt checked the gains yet, but they shouldnt be any different then when I set them before.
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/19/2007 8:49:57 PM
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cloak01ls
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No cap at all? A cap is like a second battery right...everyone tells me to install one unless I want my alternator/battery to die.
Capacitors are a band-aid on a bullet wound. If you really do have a charging problem then your best options are to upgrade the "Big 3"...Add a secondary battery...Or upgrade to a high output alternator...Of course this is all assuming you have no installation errors resulting in voltage problems...
A capacitor will actually aid in the death of your alt/batt, not help it survive...
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 10:35:37 AM
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nofear17bmx
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I have a hard time believing that. All the professional audio installers I have talked to said it acts as a second battery. Each time your subs hit it makes a surge to your battery which makes the ions group which in time causes death to your battery. Once your battery starts dieing your alternator has to work harder which makes them both die. By putting in a cap, the cap will take the abuse while the battery and alt can worry about what it was designed to do. While the cap is meant to take the abuse so the whole point I am making is that there is no reason you shouldnt have a cap. Either way thats my opinion from what I have gathered, it may be wrong but its what I believe.
Also, my DVD player will not play dvds unless my parking brake is on. Anyone know how to disable this? There must be a wire I can snip...
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 10:54:02 AM
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I have a hard time believing that. All the professional audio installers I have talked to said it acts as a second battery. Each time your subs hit it makes a surge to your battery which makes the ions group which in time causes death to your battery. Once your battery starts dieing your alternator has to work harder which makes them both die. By putting in a cap, the cap will take the abuse while the battery and alt can worry about what it was designed to do. While the cap is meant to take the abuse so the whole point I am making is that there is no reason you shouldnt have a cap. Either way thats my opinion from what I have gathered, it may be wrong but its what I believe.
Read This write up and you will understand completely...
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 12:01:55 PM
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blazinloud
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caps are a gimmick. waste of time, money, and effort.
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 12:32:33 PM
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hillbillyinOhio
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actually, the cap will put another strain on your alternator, as it is something else to charge. I am a professional audio installer (acutally opened three very successful shops) and have been doing this for about 14 years. I would not ever put a cap in, unless only for aestetic purposes.
and for the bypass, what make and model is your dvd player???
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 2:23:59 PM
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drperry
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A cap can make a nice voltage display... But that's about it...
The ONLY way it'll really help anything, is if your lights are dimming and you were to wire it to your lights, lol.
But then, it's still a band-aid.
Turn your gain all the way down, crank the stereo volume, and turn the gain up until you hear distortion, then back it off a little...
Not the most professional way of doing it, but that's how I did mine, lol.
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ORIGINAL: cloak01ls
It sounds like your sub amp's gain is improperly set and you are experiencing 'clipping' at 50% volume and above. Gain is not a volume knob, most people think that it is. you should check where this is set. It should not be up any more than about 75% in general...Theres a more precise way to set your gains but is usually a bit hard if you dont have a tuned ear for sound...
As far as the capacitor if you have allready purchased this I would advise you to either return/sell it if you can, or just put it on your mids/highs amp...
My gains are at less than 25%...
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 4:10:42 PM
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blazinloud
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yep, deck output voltage will affect the gain setting, right.....
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 6:03:43 PM
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nofear17bmx
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Ok well is there a reason I shouldnt install a cap? Why do they make them if they dont do anything? Why do professionals install them on their rides to make some of the best sound system setups?
My deck is the following. The deck has one pink wire coming out of it labled brake, that is hooked up to one yellow wire which enables videos to be played when parking brake is enabled. When I unhook the two wires it still wont work. The only thing I could think of is putting a resistor in the end of the pink wire to make the video player think the parking brake is always enabled. I am not sure, I think that is wrong but it was my best guess...
Click me to see my deck
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 6:16:13 PM
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drperry
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Some decks, grounding out that wire will make it work...
A cap is a short term cover up for an electrical problem... That, and they look pretty.
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 6:33:53 PM
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bought as useful as a AAA battery
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 6:51:58 PM
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bought as useful as a AAA battery
actually, according to the article, an infinite farad cap is less useful than a 9V battery
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 7:13:38 PM
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Ok, question for you guys. After reading all this, and seeing something today, I want to ask you guys something. I am lost with all this stuff, with amp gain, etc. My Profile California AP1200 watt amp, has a remote that was installed under the dash. That remote, has a knob, and it is connected to what looks like a telephone cord to my amp. Is that the "amp gain" that you guys are talking about? Should I try setting that low to try to solve my problem? Also, I noticed something else today. Today, I lowered the bass volume on my headunit. My bass volume goes up to volume 8. I put it on volume 40. I have noticed that when it was on 4, I get less dimming and less voltage drops. I still get the dimming and voltage drops, but only when the bass is really strong. Do you guys see anything wrong there? I am still going to get it checked out, but I wanted to know if this would tell you guys anything.
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 7:15:33 PM
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hillbillyinOhio
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Well, one reason to not install a cap, is if your electrical cannot keep up with the charging of your battery, running your car and your amp, Sure lets add another thing into the system that needs charged. Do you see the problem with that????
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Ok well is there a reason I shouldnt install a cap? Why do they make them if they dont do anything? Why do professionals install them on their rides to make some of the best sound system setups?
Well, I am a professional, the three shops I owned grossed well over a million dollars last year, (with having BB, CC, and another competitor less than a mile away), and I have never installed a cap. Ever. Period. Unless you have the power to begin with, a cap isnt going to help you.
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RE: Whole system is installed...but problems!!! - 11/20/2007 7:20:07 PM
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Ok, question for you guys. After reading all this, and seeing something today, I want to ask you guys something. I am lost with all this stuff, with amp gain, etc. My Profile California AP1200 watt amp, has a remote that was installed under the dash. That remote, has a knob, and it is connected to what looks like a telephone cord to my amp. Is that the "amp gain" that you guys are talking about? Should I try setting that low to try to solve my problem? Also, I noticed something else today. Today, I lowered the bass volume on my headunit. My bass volume goes up to volume 8. I put it on volume 40. I have noticed that when it was on 4, I get less dimming and less voltage drops. I still get the dimming and voltage drops, but only when the bass is really strong. Do you guys see anything wrong there? I am still going to get it checked out, but I wanted to know if this would tell you guys anything.
Well, a few things on your problem. By cranking up the bass on the HU, you are sending a very very dirty signal to your amp therefore dirty power to your sub. Back off on the bass boosts, and set the gain accordingly. Does the knob say if its remote bass or remote gain?? If it is the former, then the highest setting will only go to where you have your gain set, and back to 0. If its remote gain, throw it away. you will eventually kill your sub by sending a clipped signal. Bad news bears
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