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The issues just keep on coming...... - 12/30/2005 2:47:54 PM   
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So NOW, I'm noticeing a scraping/squealing sound coming from what seems to be the engine. It has been getting worse and now it seems to slip when I'm driving. It will just rev up as if I'm in Nuetral when I'm in Drive as well as Reverse. Any thoughts?
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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/1/2006 4:15:02 PM   
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I see this topic needs a little push......... I was told by someone that maybe just replacing the transmission filter and flushing it out with new trans fluid might help. Has anyone had any kind of issue like this before?

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/1/2006 11:24:32 PM   
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Would help to know the truck, and tranny.

First thing to check is tranny fluid. Is it full, smell OK, and red?
If you don't know how to check it or what your looking for post up.

I just broke my tranny Friday night while back ing up my driveway. Thinking I broke the sun gear, and won't know until I drop the tranny tomorrow and tear it apart.

Yours might be a torque converter. After your check the fluid level, take it too a tranny shop and see if you can get them to look at it.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/2/2006 2:13:59 AM   
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Hanr, Its the same truck we've been talking about in every other post, a 98' blazer, in a blazer forum. Go figure. But none the less, you're one of the few who who have been helping. So thank you. I have checked the fluid, its fine. I'll take it somewhere this week and have them check it out. What symptoms would suggest a torque converter?

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/2/2006 10:34:31 AM   
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Hanr, Its the same truck we've been talking about in every other post, a 98' blazer, in a blazer forum. Go figure. But none the less, you're one of the few who who have been helping. So thank you. I have checked the fluid, its fine. I'll take it somewhere this week and have them check it out. What symptoms would suggest a torque converter?



Not everyone reads every post. Might be a good idea to put your Blazer in your Sig line, then no need to worry about including prudent info with every problem.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/2/2006 3:44:47 PM   
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Sorry, I don't make it a point to memorize everones vehicles.
Granted it is a Blazer site. however the S10-blazers had at least 3 different auto trannies and I think 2 different manual trannies over the 20 some odd years of production. Kind of hard to give info without knowing which one you have. Granted there are some simularities between the autos, and similarities between the manuals. However the manuals and autos are different althougher.



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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/2/2006 7:04:04 PM   
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This is true, but in anycase I have yet to have any help. Its an automatic transmission, and for what we are dealing with, they all work the same way. They have variations yes, but they all work the same way. But none the less, if anyone knows if simply changing the filter and flushing it might do the trick or any other ideas. What happens is that when i start it cold, it will be fine, after a mile or so, it starts to make a scraping noise and I will eventually lose reverse, followed by drive, as in, they all act as if I were just in nuetral.... If anyone can help I'd appreciate it.


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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/2/2006 11:18:03 PM   
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There's a TSB on this:
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Quote from AllDataDIY.com:
A/T - 4L60/65E No Reverse/2nd or 4th Gear
Bulletin No.: 00-07-30-022C
Date: December 10, 2004
TECHNICAL
Subject:
No Reverse, Second Gear or Fourth Gear (Replace Reaction Sun Shell with More Robust Heat Treated Parts)

Models:
1993-2005 Cars and Light Duty Trucks with 4L60/65-E Automatic Transmission (RPOs M30 or M32)

Condition
Some customers may comment on a no reverse, no second or no fourth gear condition. First and third gears will operate properly.

Cause
The reaction sun gear (673) may not hold inside the reaction sun shell (670).

Correction
Important: There are FOUR distinct groups of vehicles and repair procedures involved.
^ Vehicles built in the 2001 model year and prior that make use of a reaction shaft to shell thrust washer:
^ The sun shell can be identified by four square holes used to retain the thrust washer. Use reaction sun shell P/N 24228345 reaction carrier to shell thrust washer (699B) P/N 8642202 and reaction sun gear shell thrust washer (674) P/N 8642331 along with the appropriate seals and washers listed below.
^ Vehicles built in the 2001 model year and prior that have had previous service to the reaction sun shell:
^ It is possible that some 2001 and prior model year vehicles have had previous service to the reaction sun shell. At the time of service, these vehicles may have been updated with a Reaction Sun Shell Kit (Refer to Service Bulletin 02-07-30-003) without four square holes to retain the thrust washer. If it is found in a 2001 model year and prior vehicles that the reaction sun shell DOES NOT have four square holes to retain the thrust washer, these vehicles must be serviced with P/Ns 24229825 (674), 24217328 and 8642331 along with the appropriate seals and washers listed below.
^ Vehicles built in the 2001 model year and later that make use of a reaction shaft to shell thrust bearing:
^ The sun shell can be identified by no holes to retain the thrust washer. Use reaction sun shell, P/N 24229825, reaction carrier shaft to shell thrust bearing (669A), P/N 24217328 and reaction sun gear shell thrust washer (674), P/N 8642331 along with the appropriate seals and washers listed below.
^ Vehicles built from November, 2001 through June, 2002:
^ These vehicles should have the reaction carrier shaft replaced when the sun shell is replaced. Use shell kit P/N 24229853, which contains a sun shell (670), a reaction carrier shaft (666), a reaction carrier shaft to shell thrust bearing (669A) and a reaction sun gear shell thrust washer (674). The appropriate seals and washers listed below should also be used.
^ When servicing the transmission as a result of this condition the transmission oil cooler and lines MUST be flushed. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 02-07-30-052.

Follow the service procedure below for diagnosis and correction of the no reverse, no second, no forth condition.
Important: If metallic debris is found on the transmission magnet, the transmission must be completely disassembled and cleaned. Metallic debris is defined as broken parts and pieces of internal transmission components. This should not be confused with typical "normal" fine particles found on all transmission magnets. Failure to properly clean the transmission case and internal components may lead to additional repeat repairs.

*Attached photo #1*

1. Remove the transmission oil pan and inspect the magnet in the bottom of the pan for metal debris.
2. Remove the transmission from the vehicle. Refer to the appropriate SI document.
Important:
^ Inspect all the transmission components for damage or wear. Replace all damaged or worn components. The parts list below should be sufficient to correct this concern.
^ This condition does not normally require replacement of the transmission completely. Components such as

Attachment (3)

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/3/2006 11:34:36 AM   
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I did answer your question.
Other then checking the fluid level/condition there isn't much else you can do to the tranny. Sure you could change the filter and add new fluid, but that isn't going to fix your problem. You will need specialized knowledge and tools to test and diagnose the tranny. Take it too a shop and have them look at it.

I will be glad to help you save some money when they tell you it needs to be rebuilt. And if you feel comfortable with your mechanical skills I can recommend some books to help you rebuild it.

What Swart posted above is the problem I am having with my tranny in the '00 S10-Blazer 4x4. Unless your confident in your mechanical skills, this is not a do it yourslelfer project. You can save money by taking the tranny out and by putting it back in yourself. And I will be glad to offer tips and pointers.



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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/3/2006 2:07:09 PM   
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Thanks Hanr3,

I've replaced manual transmissions before. This whole automatic is new to me. I've had a Triumph Spitfire and Jeep Wrangler before this. I'll know more Thurs night after I have the shop look at it. I'm kind of up in the air of what i want to do, if the tranny is shot. I might just sell it and cut my losses. At the same time, it'll be harder to sell a vehicle that doesnt move. If I end up fixing it, I think I'll just swap out a rebuilt one rather than trying to rebuild it myself. And swapping out a transmission is something i feel comfortable enough doing myself. Question: Does anyone know if the torque converter has a belt? Someone told me that the belt could be glazed over and that is why when the car warms up it starts to slip......

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/3/2006 2:11:55 PM   
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No belt... Who told you that? Never heard of such a thing...

Hanr, how difficult is it to unbolt the TC from the flywheel on the 4L60E w/ full bellhousing? Do you have to do it through that access hole or is it done through the starter location? I ask because when I was down under my truck trying to solve my oil leak issues, I was soaking up what would need to happen if such a problem were to ever arise. I'm crazy that way, always thinking what needs to be done even though I have no indication of a problem in that area.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/3/2006 3:43:33 PM   
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quote:

I'm noticeing a scraping/squealing sound coming from what seems to be the engine.


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Someone told me that the belt could be glazed over and that is why when the car warms up it starts to slip......


Could the person simply be referring to the engine belt. In your original post you indicated two entirely different problems. Or at least that is the way I perceived it to be.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/3/2006 9:16:46 PM   
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I thought it might be the engine belt. But The more I listen to it the more I think it might be coming from the transmission. This is a brand new engine that was put in.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/3/2006 9:35:25 PM   
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From what I understand I have to unbolt the torque converter from that access hole.
Starter, hmmmm, never thought of that. Might be easier to spin the crank by the starter access then a rachet on the front pulley. I'll let you know.

If you are going to drop the tranny, you will need about 2 1/2 feet of extensions and a wobble socket to get those top two bellhousing bolts off. On the older trannies ('87) its a 18mm, on this newer one ('00) its a 15mm. What year it changed I don't know, gonna guess when they went with the 4L60E is when they made the change.

To drop the tranny you have to remove the exhaust cross over pipe, not for tranny clearance, but to get your hands on the passenger side to remove the tv cable (4L60-700R4)/electrical plug (4L60E), and the cooling lines. I also have a set of stubby wrenches. They are like half the length of regular wrenches, and I have used them on those cooler lines. The extensions help in getting the exhaust manifold to y-pipe bolts off as well.

Plus the obvious stuff, both axles, t-case and tranny support brace. On the old version ('87) it was 15mm bolt and nuts, on the '00 is is a 15mm and 13mm. Took me a half hour to figure that one out.

Tonights work was put on hold due to other errands.



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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/4/2006 11:07:16 AM   
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I thought it might be the engine belt. But The more I listen to it the more I think it might be coming from the transmission. This is a brand new engine that was put in.


There is one way to remove any doubt about the engine belt, and that is to remove it and start the engine. You'll know right away if the belt, or a pulley si another possiblity, had a problem. If it's quieter, stop the engine and spin the pulleys by hand to see if they are smooth in feel and sound.


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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/5/2006 4:19:08 PM   
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Well the verdict is in. Needs a new transmission. When I asked them what exactly it was they told me that they don't service trannys, they replace them..... for $3k I guess the plates in there are warn and slip..... seeing as i paid $4k for the whole truck, i want gonna go that route....... As for rebuilding it, they told me that they could recommend a place to rebuild it, but personally, they would recommend me just picking up a rebuilt one or something because it would be more work and money to rebuild it. Looks like I'm pickin' up a tranny.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/5/2006 4:24:33 PM   
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I highly recommend Jasper Engines & Transmissions.

A pretty much new tranny for your truck would cost $1937 for you and I. Find an installer and its bound to be even cheaper than that.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/5/2006 6:06:36 PM   
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I see the tranny I need on eBay for $625 plus core and shipping, when its all said and done maybe $800....... I might go that route, its rebuilt with warranty. I thought I could install it myself. But my dad said that this tranny is prob heavier than my old triumph spitfire as well as my Jeep Wrangler, which we were able to drop and swap out ourselves. What do you guys think?

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/5/2006 6:19:29 PM   
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You'll need to have the truck fairly high up in the air inorder to keep the jack underneith it, but it is definitely do-able.

An eBay tranny is definitely scary... I found the auction that you are referring to and I'd much rather spend more on a quality rebuild. If you wanted to go cheaper, grab one from a junkyard. I could purchase a tranny from just down the street here with 15,000 miles on it for $500+ tax out the door. Take a search through Car-Parts.com for an auto-recycler near you.

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RE: The issues just keep on coming...... - 1/5/2006 7:08:57 PM   
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Don't know if you remember swart but you posted the same service bullitan for me about 2 weeks ago...my tranny went out and had nothing past 2nd and no reverse...you got it dead on man. Got my rebuild in and she's runnin great...stupid sun gears.

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