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Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/8/2007 4:36:02 PM   
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Ok to start off with been reading these forums for awhile now but this is my first post ive always been able to figure out my problems in the past using search and doing some reading. Now on to my problem(s)

I have a 1994 S-10 blazer 4 door, 4 wheel drive 4.3L CFI (vin code W)
Only getting about 7 mpg and it surges when driving at a steady speed and is running rich. So far I have replaced the fuel pump (it totally quit), fuel filter, removed and cleaned the EGR as stated elsewhere on these forums, replaced the oxygen sensor, spark plugs (AC delco), wires, distributor cap and rotor button. The check engine light comes on if I am driving 55mph or more for more than 5 minutes (codes 45 and 51). Before it's asked no I haven't done a fuel pressure test yet (just got back from hitting all 6 parts stores in my town none of them have a loaner/rental fuel pressure tester).
I really don't have much money to deal with seeing as how 5 kids + xmas in less than 3 weeks = a very broke me so I can't afford to keep guessing and hoping im right. I love these trucks (this is my third one) and this one looks almost brand new inside and out I really want to keep it but just can't afford to keep paying so much in gas every week (yes I know it will never be great on gas but this is horrid atm) Hope someone here can help.
Thanks in advance.

Oh one more thing, yes i cleared the codes after doing all the above work.


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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/8/2007 6:04:45 PM   
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One thing to check might be the coolant temp sensor for the ecm.  There are ways to test them I believe, but I'm not too sure.  Does your temp gauge work?  Maybe the thermostat is stuck open.  Also might want to try a seafoam on it.

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/8/2007 6:21:58 PM   
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temp gauge works never seen it go higher than 200 and thats the one thing i forgot in my first post i did grab a can of sea foam while out lookin for fuel pressure tester and dumped that in my gas tank hopin that would help.

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/8/2007 8:16:30 PM   
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I would get another can and suck it in through the brake booster hose.  Also you could have a plugged cat.  I've read that those can cause major issues.  

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/9/2007 7:28:59 AM   
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Disconnect your O2 sensors and see if that changes your mpg.

One other thing is vacuum, check all your vacuum lines.


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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/9/2007 9:09:12 AM   
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well I dunno what happened but as I said last night put some sea foam in the gas tank but it was late so just drove home so today I go out and take it for a ride to burn up some fuel and get that sea foam through the system, anyways I come home shut it off and now it wont even rotate, turns about 1/8 inch then stops and returns to where it started from, tried removing the serpentine belt in case the power steering pump or some other stupid thing locked up but it just does the same thing. This thing only has 128,000 miles on it and oil is still full and no water in it, radiator is also still full.


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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/9/2007 9:34:27 AM   
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Could be starter, or it could be a loose battery connection, or bad battery. Most autoparts stores wil check them for free, and can be checked while in the vehicel, or out. You just ahve to get them there. 

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/9/2007 10:39:28 AM   
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yeah I thought about the starter too (it has once or twice just spun without engaging first thing in the morning) so omw out to clear a spot and beg my brother to come help me push it inside the garage /rude freezing rain and uphill sloped driveways atm will let you all know what I find out and thanks again for the replies, it is much appreciated.

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/10/2007 5:50:25 PM   
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well starter and battery both tested no problems there, put em back on turned headlights on and hit the key, lights stay on (dim slightly of course) but otherwise same thing so any other ideas?

as always all help/advice greatly appreciated

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/10/2007 7:42:52 PM   
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Ooooook me and a buddy just tried to turn the engine over by hand with 2 of us standing on the breaker bar (combined weight roughly 500 lbs.) it won't budge =/ so guess im looking for a decent boneyard replacement 4.3 vortec to get me back and forth to work while I rebuild this one. Oh man summit racing gonna looove me they havent seen me since I finished the oldsmobile toy.

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/11/2007 9:07:13 AM   
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Sorry to hear that the Blazer has seized up, but in reading your posts of terrible gas mileage, I'm surprised no one mentioned that you could have a faulty/failed/ruptured Fuel pressure regulator.  Take a peek into the upper intake plenum (through the throttle body hole, with a mini-maglite you can see if one side is clean and the other side is sludged up, then the FPR is leaking.  Replacing the fpr usually restores the fuel mileage to a better number than 7 mpg.  The Blazer, while not a stellar performer in the mpg range, 18 to 21 mpg's should not be unrealistic.  I'm getting just shy of 20 mpg's out of my '96.

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/11/2007 9:33:26 AM   
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well it's a bit more than I had expected but I found another 4.3 vortec with only 67,000 miles it $900 still a bit cheaper and faster than a fresh rebuild tho (plan to rebuild mine and swap em out when its finished and a little warmer outside). Will keep you all posted on progress.

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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/11/2007 3:34:35 PM   
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Before you go dropping coin on that engine....

Do you smell gas in the oil?
Hows your oil level, too full?
If your FPR is dumping fuel it will stop your engine from cranking over. Liquids dont compress. Took me almost a week to figure that out. Teh parts store had the wrong FPR in the box. The box was correct, it just ahd the wrong part in it. It was dumping gas big time and locked my engine up. I could spin it by hand, after the gas drained into the oil pan.

A new FPR is like $70.


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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/11/2007 4:28:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hanr3

Do you smell gas in the oil?
Hows your oil level, too full?

A new FPR is like $70.



Thanks alot yes the oil does smell a bit like gas and yes it was a little over full will try this first (worst case i put the new fpr on the engine I have to buy if it doesnt fix this one) won't have time til this weekend but will let ya know how it works out, thanks again for the heads up much appreciated.


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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/12/2007 6:28:28 PM   
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Now that the engine has sat for some time, go see if you can crank it over by hand on the crank bolt agian. If you still have too much resistence, take all the spark plug out and try again. If oyu get gas out of hte spark plug hole at least you know your rings are sealling great,a nd the better news is your gas is ending up in the chamber. Could be leaking spider assembly too, although you will be able to tell once you take the upp intake plenum off.

Another test, leave teh spark plugs out ans see if it will crank over by the starter, remember to pull the coil to distributor cap wire. If the engine cranks, you knwo its not locked up.

Simple tests that cost nothing other then time.


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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/12/2007 6:35:19 PM   
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well I decided to skip class tonight and go screw with my truck instead (of course I didnt even get off work til 30 mins after class started and its a 1 hour drive from work to there so made my choice easy lol) drained the oil out, pulled the plugs and it turned normally by hand so I then proceeded to pull the upper plenum off and lo and behold a one inch deep pool of fuel on the passenger side (of course part stores closed now my luck is great) so soon as I get off work tomorrow its getting a new FPR, new plugs (again), fresh oil change and should be golden (I hope) thanks again for the help saved me a ton of cash I didnt really have to sink into my truck atm and I really appreciate it.

Ryck


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RE: Out of ideas, someone save me please - 12/15/2007 12:28:33 PM   
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I cannot say it enough thank you all for your help, got my truck all back together today and it's running better than it has as long as i've owned it, every problem in my initial post is gone and a 30 mile trip yielded gas usage of 1/8 of a tank vs the 1/2 tank it was using before.
again thank you all!



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