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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:06:51 PM
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WolfPack
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If you can figure this out on a high schooler's budget, you'll probably win a nobel prize.
It's been tried many times, the problem is the cost of the equipment, and the sheer weight of the components needed..makes it useless. And as exciting as making a few bubbles in a coke bottle with a 9v battery is, that won't translate to powering a vehicle.
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:14:13 PM
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blznlowxtreme
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that would awsome, but from what i have heard and read, i agree w/ wolfpak
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:22:26 PM
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EuroGoldLS
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Thats exactly wht I though at first. But I've seen multiple claims from people that I know on forums that say they have actually had a significant increase in mileage. You also have to understand that hydrogen is 10x as powerful as gasoline.
I don't know that it will use something really huge. I want to use it in conjuction with gasoline. And as for a highschool budget.... well, we'll see. There are many kits out there under $100 with materials that I can get together for less than $50.
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:27:19 PM
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WolfPack
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The only way I see it do-able is if you run a NOS setup, but with hydrogen instead of Nitrous Oxide. I still don't see it using anyless fuel though...if anything I would say you risk blowing your engine just like with nitrous (the extra power added with the already explosive gasoline)
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:30:51 PM
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cliro
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theres a guy at my work that has a hydrogen setup on his protege5, supposed to like double his mileage, so far it's doing crap for him.
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:35:03 PM
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EuroGoldLS
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Well, its not pressurizing or reducing the temperature of the incoming air like nitrous, although you did make me thin of possibly buying a Nitrous cheater plate to introduce the gas. The gas will be pulled in by the suction of the engine.
The whole concept is rather intimidating, but some of the stuff I've researched, it looks really simple. Its very like a partial propane conversion.
Heres a link to a site on the Ads by google thing at the bottom of the board.... Clicky
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:37:38 PM
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yup, thats what he's got.
he thinks he needs to lean it out, change the AF ratio with a programmer.
he just got a mason jar as his canaster with the electrodes in the lid connected to a coil, bubbles up and he has to drain the canister once a week.
everything cost him like $30, not including the instructions he had to buy off the internet. told him if he ever figures the thing out he can hook one up in my truck, dought that will happen though.. i think it's BS
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 6:42:04 PM
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EuroGoldLS
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I'm still definately looking into it. I know of a guy on the CF who is in the process of doing it, so I'll see what his results look like before I buy or make one.
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 7:03:50 PM
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Goodluck...
Ever heard of the Hydrogen bomb? Yea... its very explosive be carefull! I dont want no deaths on blazer forum!
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/2/2008 7:37:41 PM
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Tippman7641
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the main problem with hydrogen is in fact thats its so explosive, and has such a low flash point, thats the problem they are having, it works for a whle then when the engine gets to warm the hydrogen goes off at random and too soon, blowing the motor
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/3/2008 6:12:24 AM
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EuroGoldLS
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I don't think it will be THAT concentrated. That really would suck... I may just fabricate a prototype and see how it goes and I'll report my findings. I'm definately not going to buy a $50 manual on how to make it, because I pretty much know the principles.
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/3/2008 7:31:40 AM
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Just keep an eye on cost. Probably the biggest cost will be the supply of Hydrogen, either in the form of electrolosis or by purchasing commercial hydrogen. I'm not sure of the power requirements to effectively break away the hyrdogen, but if you hook into the vehicles charging system, and it takes alot of power, you're risking the vehicle/alternator, which tacks on a few more dollars.
I wonder what commercial hydrogen runs..
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/3/2008 8:03:40 AM
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this sounds like something i could bring up in advanced chem monday lol
ill see if the profeser doesnt like the idea and his doubts.
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/3/2008 10:53:23 AM
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 Euro, be extremely careful.... I would not even attempt this by yourself! Hydrogen is very very dangerous.. anyone remember the Hindenburg? The smallest hydrogen leak around spark or high temp can ignite, and I guarantee it will destroy your blazer in a fireball and put your life in jeopardy. You dont want to be doing homejobs that mess with hydrogen. . . . . i'm not just blowing smoke. I was in all advanced chem classes in High School and had several college credit hours (tested out of most) in chemistry. be careful with anything that produces hydrogen. You will also probably destroy your engine with something as powerfully explosive as hydrogen. It's a 4.3L, not exactly a high end engine designed for that kind of combustion or heat. . . just my $0.02... however when you post a thread in the near future about blowing your motor or your truck catching on fire, I will say I TOLD YOU SO. . .
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I actually discussed this very thing a year ago with a man who has a doctorate in chemistry. He said its a terrible idea that is likely to get someone hurt. Weigh it out, is safety worth a couple extra mpg?
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/3/2008 11:02:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: WolfPack
Just keep an eye on cost. Probably the biggest cost will be the supply of Hydrogen, either in the form of electrolosis or by purchasing commercial hydrogen. I'm not sure of the power requirements to effectively break away the hyrdogen, but if you hook into the vehicles charging system, and it takes alot of power, you're risking the vehicle/alternator, which tacks on a few more dollars.
I wonder what commercial hydrogen runs..
It will run off water and the electrical system. Its gonna have a 20 amp fuse on it, so it'll take about as much power as an extra set of foglights. I plan on making a system like the one that you can get on ebay and I'll see how it works.
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RE: Hydrogen - 4/3/2008 12:22:23 PM
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WolfPack
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I really don't think that will produce enough hydrogen, fast enough. An effective electrolsis system that we use in our chem labs to produce hydrogen runs of a few hundred volts, and upwards of 200 amps. Not something you'll get in a vehicle with 12v DC supply.
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