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damn engine gremlins - 6/30/2008 9:31:27 AM
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Thor_449
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ok so i have a 94 s-10 blazer v-6 4.3 vortech engine with 77 thousand miles on it
replaced so far: spark plugs, spark plug wires, fuel pump, fuel filter, EGR valve
i have found a better word then "burping" at ideling, it''s been misfiring, after about 15 seconds after start up one cylinder will misfire constantly, then another will misfire, which gave the shaking and "burping" when i replaced the spark plugs i noticed on two of the cylinders had wet threads. they weren''t soaking and the ends were dry put they had some gas on them.
Everyone told me it was a vaccuum leak so i did a little digging. I started to take off the vaccuum lines off wile it was running and the misfireing stoped for a couple of seconds before continuing, but it wasn''t as bad. but when i plugged the lines all back together it got a little worse and more constant.
I don''t know if that has any significance to my problem
so the only possible thing i can think of is bad injectors
and if it is I know injecotrs aren''t that much $, but how difficult is it to replace them?
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/2/2008 2:31:16 PM
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Thor_449
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double post sorry
since i have decided that changing my injectors is the only thing possibley wrong(no codes from anything) I was wondering.
I know these poppet injectors are problem prone and since i can''t upgrade to the new spider siystem GM came out with. will teh aftermarket''s i get still be the flawed poppet design?
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/2/2008 5:04:02 PM
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gscrippler
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Hey Thor,
I''m having a simular Prob with my 95 4.3liter, I''ve replaced plugs,wires,cap rotor, cleaned EGR,
Checked fuel pressure, replaced Vac. Lines replaces fuel filter, Cleaned every sensor I can think of
and changed a bad O2 sensor but have the same issue. There are no SES codes except for the O2 sensor I have had problems with injectors before replaced the spider setup twice, It seems to have the same symptoms as when the injector went bad so I would have to say that may be the problem. If anyone has any suggestions please let us know.
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/2/2008 5:49:46 PM
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Hanr3
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Miksfiring and no P030? code?
Anytime it misfires it should trip a P0300 code of some sort. IF it had a number at the end that would tell you which piston, a 0 means multiple random misfires. You both need to have your codes pulled to be sure there aren''t any stored. Your local autoparts store should do it for free.
IF you truely do have a misfire your possible causes are cheap incorrect spark plugs, cheap or incorrect spark plug wires, cheap or incorrect distributor cap/rotor. You both replaced your plugs and wires. These are high performance engines and require top of the line replacement parts. AC Delco....
Search the site for P0300 code. There are some horror stories, and most of the time it comes back to the replacement parts.
IF you have a poppet problem, seafoam through the gas tank is a hell of a lot cheaper thennew poppets.
When was the last time you changed your fuel filter and air filter?
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/3/2008 3:28:16 AM
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gscrippler
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I changed my fuel filter about a week ago along with the plugs wires cap rotor, using Delco
replaement parts, checked for codes with My father''s tech 2 scanner only had the code for
The O2 sensor and cleared it afterwards, My prob is weird it is intermitant only does it at an idel
when I start the truck cold it''s fine if I rev it and then the idel comes down it will have a slit rough idel and as soon as I give it a bit of throttle it''s fine, Truck accels fine with no skipping only does it at an idel
Any other ideas?
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/3/2008 10:11:34 AM
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Thor_449
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the first thing i changed was the fuel filter, I have already ran an stp injector cleaner threw and currently a bottle of seafom, the spark plugs i have bosh platnum so not low grade, and high performance wires around here are like $80 so i got the midgrade for $50, i gues i could replace the distributor but like i said i have only 77 thousand on it but it''s been sitting for 8years being run intermitenly
same symptoms that gscrippler has it only does it at ideling and when you rev the engine the symptoms go away, mine also does this at low speeds (less then 5 mph) or when you just let it roll with the engine running, usually when i do this it stals.
I can get the codes from it agian just to see but the only one i got was a code 12? think that was an alls ok code or something
i''ll dig it up from one of my previous posts
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/3/2008 7:34:49 PM
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Hanr3
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Find your vacuum leak... You got one, you just aint found it yet...
After that clean your MAP/MAF sensor, and then check your TPS.
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/4/2008 9:40:43 PM
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gscrippler
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I changed my vaccum line from the Manifold to the T and the short one that goes to the black ball on the hood. Are there anymore you can think of on my 95 4.3 vortec? that would cause a problem?
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/6/2008 4:04:00 PM
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gscrippler
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Hey Thor, Today I tried 2 things to solve my issue, I removed plug wires from distributor and
when i reinstalled them I used a small screwdriver to hold up part of the boot to allow for trapped air to escape, I read on this forum that air get trapped in the boot and when it heats up it could cause a prob. and I also went vacuum line hunting I found one that attaches to the bottom of the throttle body,it runs to some plastic tubing to A sensor that is attached to a sensor on the drivers side of the plendum I made sure it was connected better. one of the 2 seemed to improve my conditions. I am going to replace the complete vaccume line with new hose eliminating the plastic tube and see what happends I drove about 50 miles and it only rough ideled 1 time. Give it a shot, Also Hanr3 for the tech tip
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/9/2008 12:51:27 PM
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Thor_449
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well now more problems arise :(
today my blazer started to miss wile accelerating and sometimes at high speed (60 mph) but it was an on, off thing sometimes it did this and sometimes it didn''t, i don''t know if it was the sea foam i''m running threw it
it also stalled twice wile at a complete stop. but now the missing at ideling is an off, on thing, sometimes it will do it and sometimes it won''t.
second i have always smelled a faint scent of gas but now it''s more promonent, i think it might be the fuel pressure regulator which i herd absolutely must have a high quality or it will run like crap :(
also gscrippler you have a new style blazer i have an older model i can''t see any vaccuum line going to my throttle body i don''t know if there is suppose to be one there.
no check engine light comes on when all of this is going on and no codes show up. It might be the new wires i installed casue they are midgrade but i know it''s definetely not the spark plugs
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/9/2008 1:27:31 PM
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Hanr3
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The vacuum line is located on the back of teh intake manifold by the distributor. Look for the port, its hidden but its there.
It could be your spark plugs, however generally no codes indicates gas pressure problems. The puter doesn''t monitor gas pressure, it assumes the correct pressure is present. It could also be a vacuum leak, and the puter doesn''t monitor vacuum pressure. Does your HVAC change from the floor to the dash or any other setting?
There should be a sticker under the hood that shows all your vacum hoses and where they go, its part of teh emission sticker.
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/18/2008 6:04:44 PM
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gscrippler
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Well I thought I got rid of my Gremlins but they are still around. Problem Intermitant rough idel
I changed plugs,wires,cap,rotor,fuel filter all vaccume lines,cleaned EGR, seafoamed it, checked fuel pressure It was good. If I start vehicle it is fine if I rev engine and the let the idel return to normal it will rough idel sometimes. If I stop at a light it will rough idel sometimes. Anybody have any other ideas. 1995 Blazer 4.3 L Vin W replaced Engine it now has 89,000 miles.
Thanks for any help
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/19/2008 5:18:30 PM
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mr.vls
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The TBI injectors are easy to replace. Remove Air Cleaner, Spacer, Disconnect Connectors, Pry up with a screwdriver and they pop out. Piece of cake.
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/19/2008 10:06:47 PM
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gscrippler
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I have the spider set up I guess I''ll just wait for another code to pop up, going to try and clean the IAC and EGR again hopefully it will solve the problem
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/21/2008 6:46:19 PM
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Thor_449
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So I Replaced the CPI unit......$300....ouch,
When i Took of the intake plenum(upper intake manifold) There were pools of gas at the bottom. so i cleaned it all up and replace the Cpi spider.
Then when i was test driving it, i switched on my AC and it would only blow out of the floor vents.......After relizing i didn''t reconnect any of the vaccuum lines i pulled over and put them all back on, First thing it did to me after restarting the engine was die right away, well i figured that was just the engine repressurizing everything, second time engine stayed on but the ideling ruff came back, so which vaccuum line is the most likely that i Have to replace, cause after the cpi unit my account is dead
Changing the CPI unit got rid of the smell of gas when driving down the road, and missing at high speeds(started about a day after my last post)
but what confuses me is that when i had all the vaccuum lines disconected it ran perfectly, so if it is a leak it would seem that it would run better, or do i have a clogged line somewere, cause that would be easier to test.
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/24/2008 6:02:14 PM
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gscrippler
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Sorry Thor for hogging you Posts,but we have simular problems with our trucks,
My lastest upgrade, was to replace IAC, TPS and I cleaned the map sensor, the hole it goes into was sludged up, Truck is still acting up with a rough idel intermitant though,There are no codes being tripped and when checked on the Tec 2 everything seems to be fine, before replacing the Injectors anyone have any more ideas for me I have replaced all vaccume lines as well
Thanks
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RE: damn engine gremlins - 7/24/2008 6:05:58 PM
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gscrippler
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forgot to add when I started the truck today it had a high idel, I shut it off and restarted, it was fine, I did have the vaccum lines off before the high idel if I fether the throttle I get the rough idel and if I do it a few more time it will smooth out.
Help!!!
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