RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 12/27/2006 7:57:47 PM
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skitzobmxr
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OWNED haha
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 12/27/2006 8:36:20 PM
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swartlkk
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So, I thought I'd help out with some more information... This information was current 12/20/2006.
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GM/Dex-Cool Class Action Update
Thank you for your recent communication regarding problems with your GM vehicle factory installed with Dex-Cool. We write to update you concerning the status of the class action case.
Multiple federal cases against GM were consolidated in the United States District Court, Southern District of Illinois. The proposed class presently includes all United States consumers who purchased or leased a 1995- 2004 GM vehicle that came factory-equipped with a 3.1-, 3.4-, 3.8-, or 4.3-Liter engine and Dex-Cool in any state other than California, Missouri and Texas (where related state cases are pending).
In February 2006, a hearing was held regarding Plaintiff’s motion for class certification. As we await the Court’s ruling, we are currently conducting discovery, and litigating the state court actions.
In related GM class actions in state courts, a Missouri state court certified a Missouri class and the Missouri Court of Appeals and the Missouri Supreme Court refused GM’s request to appeal.
Our goal is to send out periodic updates by email, but please contact us if you have questions, want information, or have information that you think might be useful to the case. Please save your repair invoices, receipts, correspondence concerning cooling system repairs and any parts you have. You may contact Dylan Hughes at 866.981.4800 or reply to this email address if you have any further questions.
Girard Gibbs llp
601 California Street, Suite 1400
San Francisco, CA 94108
Phone: (415) 981-4800
Fax: (415) 981-4846
www.girardgibbs.com
Let me add that ALL of these engines in the proposed class action lawsuit have known poor intake manifold gasket designs.
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 12/27/2006 8:53:38 PM
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4lowlife
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Well GM has deep pockets to cover their asses in some cases. Money influences.
They have the dough to see that the case drags on and ends in their favor.
I have yet to see Dexcool rot out my radiator here in Buffalo, NY though.
Why don't the Asians use this goo?
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 12/27/2006 10:09:03 PM
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Thanks Lastcoupe!
I can only state my opinion and am too lazy to go search the internet for facts. As if everything on the net is facts to begin with. 
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 12/27/2006 11:15:05 PM
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Because they use a different formula to create their own extended life coolant....might even be more like the Prestone brand...
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 2/28/2007 5:34:14 PM
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drperry
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If you don't change the green stuff on a regular interval... Doesn't it corrode aluminum? I thought that was the reason GM switched to DEX-COOL in the first place, because they were using aluminum engine parts, and they know a good portion of people are going to be too lazy/stupid to do regular maintenance...
I know a guy who never believed in changing his oil, and only topped it up, and at about 120,000kms his engine siezed...
These days, people expect to never have any problems with anything, and therefore blame the manufacturer, or seller, for any and all problems, and not just with automobiles (they're just discussed more, because they're more expensive).
If all those people that had problems with their dex-cool had been doing PROPER maintenence and inspections, then they would have caught the issue before it became a major problem, and had the trouble spots fixed ON WARRANTY because it's not the coolants fault the owner doesn't look at their vehicle...
The extended life oil thing has been covered, so lets use another comparison... If you buy tires, that have an average EXPECTED life of 50,000 miles, does that mean you never check your air pressure or rotate them?
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 3/1/2007 9:03:05 AM
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I promised myself I would not come back to this thread anymore, This thread was intended to be an Opinionated Question about Dexcool, It seemed to have started a big debate, with some fighting and name calling, and so on... This was never my intenion...We are all here to learn from each other, and by each other's mistake's, As far as what works and what doesn't work. Although nothing will ever change my destructive opinion of dexcool, Only because I have seen the first hand damage it did to my friend's car's and to me personally. Original Dexcool did not work for me. Remember this is MY OPNION...So if you guy's got any stories about dexcool, GOOD or BAD, please post them.
Some interesting INFORMATION about Red vs.Green, which may shed some light on why dexcool went terribly wrong in some people's radiators. Read it and you be the judge your self???
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 3/1/2007 9:41:46 AM
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4lowlife
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DINO, welcome back!
I went to VT a few weeks back and noticed at the motel my overflow res was empty. The rad was low on coolant too. I found a leak under the rad and have been using the no name brand coolant from Walmart. For $6.00 a jug you cant go wrong. I don't care what I use anymore. I may sell the Blazer summmertime.
I'm going to try that Bar's Leaks "Stop Leak" on it. The product is somewhat working on my 14 yr old radiator on the '93 Ranger. 235,xxx miles on it.
< Message edited by 4lowlife -- 3/1/2007 11:21:27 AM >
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 3/1/2007 10:08:39 AM
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swartlkk
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An opinionated question is just another way of saying debate. I do regret that some people felt the need to resort to name calling. I myself am guilty of that to a certain extent in my replies to a certain member in this thread.
However, that does not take away from the facts and/or opinions that are laid out in this thread. There is a lot of information to take in.
I would still like to know what the outcome of all of these proposed Class Action lawsuits has been or what the prospects even are for them. Have they been dropped? Are they moving forward and gaining momentum? I posted information above on one class action lawsuit that is being proposed and so far it looks like only Missouri was granted 'Class' status. The rest are pending - mostlikely pending the results of the Missouri case.
There has also been a lot of accusations made against Dexcool. Until valid sources are laid out (testing, etc), these are only FUD.
"It turns into ACID" - Please confirm with appropriate sources.
"It corrodes aluminum" - Sources???
I'm sure there are more, but I don't feel like looking back through everything right now.
Oh and let me just say that the Task character still holds a valid membership here. He was never banned or even PMd any warnings over his antics in this and another thread. He hasn't even logged in since his post here was refuted.
< Message edited by swartlkk -- 3/1/2007 10:10:03 AM >
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 3/16/2007 12:12:25 PM
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kerander
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I thought this article (below) was interesting, so perhaps some of you here will too. I think that when talking about this problem it might be best to take anecdotal evidence into full consideration only with an understanding of the chemistry behind the problem. Otherwise it just gets into speculation, which while useful, is still just guessing. I mean, if there is a problem, what is the physical/chemical mechanism that causes it? Then it would be reasonable to say: if that chemical mechanism is likely to occur, then it's probably a bad idea to use that chemical. If not, then it's probably ok (barring unforseen circumstances) unless there's a better alternative. Everything has a certain amount of risk, so it's just a statistical rationale more or less.
Oh and the article; GM maintains the chemistry behind DEX-COOL works according to spec, but admits there are design flaws in specific models engines that make circumstances that negatively affect DEX-COOL, which sounds very familiar to one of the mechanics comments earlier. If anyone has that video it mentions and there's an interesting part or parts, please post it to youtube and link it  .
http://www.imcool.com/articles/antifreeze-coolant/dexcool-macs2001.htm
MACS 2001: GM and Texaco “Bare All” about DEX-COOL®
by I.M. Cool
Appeared Jan/Feb 2001 Cool Profit$ Magazine
© 2001 All Rights Reserved
As in the past, the MACS 2001 Convention and Trade Show in Orlando provided some very interesting and helpful air conditioning information. However, the sleeper presentation at this show was not about refrigerant, but—of all things—engine coolant! (Sleeper does not refer to making you sleepy; it was anything but boring.)
Marketing departments of major consumer goods manufacturers are known for their attempt to conceal even a shred of negative publicity about their products. You can’t blame them; you do the same in your business. That’s why it was refreshing to witness a candid GM/Texaco presentation about DEX-COOL coolant and its related field service problems. I give the big guys credit for even bringing up the subject because, well, let’s face it, there are not a lot of kind words being spoken about this coolant at automotive service shops today. (Especially at radiator shops.)
Left: 14-Minute GM Training Video is now available to help technicians service known cooling system contamination problems in specific GM vehicles.
GM’s Jay Dankovich and Equilon Enterprises’ (Texaco) Stede Granger directed a 2-year study of thousands of DEX-COOL cooled vehicles. Armed with the results, they really didn’t have anything bad to say about the coolant. In fact, they strongly defended the product’s reputation. What they revealed to the audience is that specific models of GM vehicles have specific cooling system contamination problems. And essentially, that DEX-COOL is not the culprit!
Their presentation started with a 14-minute video that is now being circulated to technicians at GM dealers nationwide. In the video, GM’s trainers succinctly described the problems that have been found and the corresponding corrective actions to be taken by technicians.
Suggestion. This video is a “must see” for all technicians considering themselves antifreeze/coolant experts. Without this information, your cooling system service knowledge of late model GM vehicles is severely limited. Seriously!
Fortunately, you can buy the video for only $10 (plus S&H). Call MSX International of Auburn Hills, Michigan at 800-393-4831. Ask for the DEX-COOL Video: “Understanding Radiator Cap and Cooling System Contamination.” Part number: RADCAPK. Immediately following this article is a report on this training video by John Brunner, recently retired GM field service representative.
What was said at the presentation? Besides th
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 7/12/2007 2:33:45 AM
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Don't mean to bring up a dead topic, but I'd like to add my situation in.
I just got a 1997 GMC Jimmy which was owned since new by my uncle. It has a little under 125,000 miles on it. I couldn't tell for sure whether the coolant is from the factory or not...but what I do know is:
Water Pump went about 7 weeks ago...changed it and put in radiator cleaner to get rid of the heavy coating of brown **** in the system...ran it like that for about 500 miles when the cap detiorated quite badly (chips all around the seal)...changed it...no biggy, could be factory equipment as well. So I refilled with flush and ran it for another 400 miles until tonight when the heater core started leaking pretty badly...
Now like I said, I don't know how maintenance was regarded on this...but I do know that if the systems are neglected, they really get pissed off. I'm hoping after I replace this heater core I'll be over this reliability hump, but we'll find out in about a week when I drive from OC to Vegas, then back, then to Mexico, then back again, then to Colorado and back. hahah I love my Senior year summer I just hope I don't run into any more problems with this beast. I'm trying to catch up on all the neglected stuff from the past few years and boy is it expensive!
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 7/12/2007 4:57:53 AM
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swartlkk
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Well, I think that a chemical flush on a 10 year & 125k mile old vehicle is an iffy thing at best. The heater cores on these trucks are known to not be all that strong so to make it this long... Whenever a cooling system is opened up for work, I would recommend that you change the thermostat and the radiator cap. They're both cheap and if either of them fail...
And no problem digging up an old thread like this. Some of these debates just shouldn't die.
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 7/12/2007 1:20:28 PM
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you saying green is cooler than red!?!?!?
dont make me start debating ur a** lol! j/p
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RE: WHO'S HAD GOOD LUCK WITH DEX-COOL - 7/12/2007 1:34:46 PM
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swartlkk
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I don't know... I've always been a fan of Tang! HAHA!!
Green just reminds me of the stuff that comes out of a glow stick when you break it open!
Now if they made grape antifreeze I'd be all over it!!
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