Sway bar pros/cons
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 9:52:29 AM
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XBlazer01
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well i may not know offroading but i do know street racers!
I think the concepts the same somehow (O.o) i dont think it would be a good idea to remove it. thats a pretty big saftey upgrade
idk just me I wouldnt remove it.
The swaybar will give you Less Understeer and helps give you better control of the vehicle. It might also help to prevent Chassis flex.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:31:46 AM
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m00nwater
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Well, the problem is that it isn't connected at all right now. I know that you can buy disconnects anyway, that's why I would think it would help you in not getting hung up.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:33:24 AM
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XBlazer01
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hmmmmmmmm
thats a toughy. I mean if u think the vehicle can handle the offroading without it then rip it.
But if it seems sketchy try and ghetto rig it somehow lol
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:34:45 AM
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m00nwater
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Well, she's assured me this is the best route, but I'd rather not end uyp having to get towed home, ya know? I wish Tim were around..he'd probably know. Maybe I'll PM him.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:40:08 AM
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The function of the swaybar is to keep the vehicle level while cornering by pulling down on the suspension to the inside of the turn. The torsional resistance of the swaybar is what resists the body roll.
Many offroaders will disconnect the swaybar for offroading because the suspension must be allowed to flex to keep the maximum traction on all of the wheels. If one corner of the vehicle is compressed to the bump stops, a sway bar would put the other side pretty darn close to that, which may lift the wheel completely off the ground.
One thing you guys will want to be VERY careful of is driving to and from the wheeling event. A vehicle without a swaybar can be VERY dangerous, especially if it is lifted and/or has oversized tires on it. The vehicle will want to lean even through very slight turns.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:41:54 AM
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m00nwater
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Ya, I figured that it would benefit with the tires not coming up. We had to actually physically PUSH our frined Billy's front end down one time because it came up. I knew there had to be a reason why. Thanks Kyle.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:45:58 AM
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Anybody that goes wheeling regularly should get a swaybar disconnect. Simply because you'll get more flex and more traction without the swaybar connected. If left connected, you'll be stressing the swaybar WAY beyond what it was designed to handle and probably break it.
For street racing, the swaybar is necessary because it helps keep weight on all 4 corners of the vehicle while turning. By reducing body roll, more weight will be on the inside tires helping to steer and keep the power down.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:49:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: swartlkk
For street racing, the swaybar is necessary because it helps keep weight on all 4 corners of the vehicle while turning. By reducing body roll, more weight will be on the inside tires helping to steer and keep the power down.
LOOK! He hates street racing and puts it down on here but he knows so much about this stuff!
I think he's racing the bonneville! 
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:52:57 AM
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I have had both my Bonneville and my old Intrepid on the track at Watkins Glen for hot laps and have also drag raced with both of them at NYIRP as well as a local 1/10th mile track... I am very much into all around vehicle performance, hence why I know about this stuff.
I do not race on public roads and we'll leave it at that. If you don't know the whole back story, I'll fill you in somewhere else. To me, street racing would be a road course or auto-cross. Racing should never include public roads.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 10:56:52 AM
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i keep mine on the front of the blazer till i get to the trail, then remove it. i removed the rear one a long time ago and never reinstalled it. never noticed a differance. the front one with it off, street driving is VERY interesting.
off road articulation will increase imensly with it off.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 11:20:24 AM
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m00nwater
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Cool, thanks Cow. She's been driving with it disconnected for a while now, waiting for a fix. I think eventually she'll get proper disconnects though.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 1:12:54 PM
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I didn't read all the posts above, just the intial one.
Hey Moonie,
I asked the exect same question at camp jeep.
a) In essence the sway bar controls body roll during cornering. Thus making the Jeep more stable in corners. You can drive without them, just take turns slower then normal. No sudden turns at highway speeds either.
b) Sway bar also both helps and hinders off roading performance. Let me explain that a little more. With the sway bars disconnected the axle will flex more, you will get more articulation, which will help keep the tires on the ground to gain traction. However the downside is with the sway bar disconnected the axle can move laterally under the jeep. In other words, the sway bar helps keep the axle centered under the jeep, when it is disconnected the axle can move from side to side. This can be a problem in certain situations. For example while sidehilling, or while attempting to climb a obstical on one side of the vehicle (big rock). With the disconnected sway bar, the axle will shift laterally (side to side) and this shift can cause "bump Steer", and can bind up your suspension. Both cause some minor handling quirks. Neither of which are a problem if your going slow and keep your thumbs/fingers out of the steering wheel.
The negatives are less noticable on leaf sprung verse coil sprung suspensions. Not sure which your jeep has. Regardless, be aware of the dangers and drive accordingly. Slow down in turns, no sudden sharp turns at high speeds, and keep your thumbs/fingers out of the steering wheel and you should be just fine.
Jeep is coming out with automatic sway bar disconnects. According to the tech, the sway bar can only be disconnected while in 4low and going slower then 18mph. Once you get over 18mpg it automatically locks the sway bar back to the axle. There are numerous aftermarket sway bar disconnect kits on the market. I say one that uses front axle lock hubs to lock and unlock the sway bar. It was prettty cool. I'll have to get some pics uploaded tonight for you.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 1:19:05 PM
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I would like to add.
While I was working part time in the service center it wasn't uncommon to have people not know their links (connect the sway bar to the axle) were broken or missing. When questioned, they did mention that they did notice that "one day" it wouldn't handle turns as well, "seemed to lean more". So yea, you can drive without them and not really notice any real change in a DD. Most don't push the vehicle anywhere near the limits of the suspension daily. Off-roading is different, in that your trying to push the suspension to its limits and beyond. Go slow and you should be fine.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/16/2006 1:31:17 PM
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m00nwater
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Ya, these trails are guided and they are geared to your skill level, so we shouldn't run into that much of a problem. Thanks for the input.
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RE: Sway bar pros/cons - 8/17/2006 9:02:38 PM
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No howlin' at the moon, moonwater!!!!
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