RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/7/2007 7:10:51 AM
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WhiteTie BlackJacket
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^^Ok, that makes sense if thats what Kyle is talking about too
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/7/2007 4:47:13 PM
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Hi y'all! Sorry I missed the acceptance of my nominations again this month, (thanks to those who nominated me again!) but I've been VERY busy with the girls and work, and haven't been online much at all. I also want to appologize to any of you who have e-mailed me with repair/diagnosis questions and didn't get a response. If you still need help send me another e-mail and I'll get back to ya.
Now, my thoughts on this subject are these:
I agree that everyone should be allowed ONLY nominating one person/ride per month.
I think that anyone who is nominated and loses should be able to compete every month if someone nominates them.
I think that anyone who WINS ROTM should not be eligible for competition again for a ROLLING 12 months, if I'm not mistaken, the current rule allows the same member to WIN in December and again the next month because it's a new calander year.
I agree with the random drawing of names for the competition, take all the noms each month and put them in a hat, draw 5 and we have our competitors.
I think that ANY registered street VEHICLE, including blazers, bravadas, fords, mopars, nissans etc should be eligible for competition because alot of us nominate and vote for the person, not the ride.
I feel that moderators should be allowed 2 votes each for their favorite ride, and administrators should be allowed 5 votes each, because these guys/gals devote alot of their time contributing to this site and their vote should count for more than a person who just comes on here to show off their mods or critisize someone else's ride.
And Of course there should be no reqirement for any modifications.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/7/2007 4:55:50 PM
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Paddle_grl
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randomize it...I'm sick of the same old people every month...I don't even think you should nominate...just form a list of eligible people and randomize it...
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/8/2007 11:10:27 AM
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swartlkk
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Well, I had a nice long post typed up but lost it..
Anyway, Karin, the idea of maintaining a list of all eligible members for a random drawing of 5 would require a tremendous amount of work just to compile, let alone maintain such a list. This may be accomplished by just coming up with a list of say 20 random member numbers and the 1st 5 to meet the criteria necessary for nomination will be in the voting. Now I chose 20 due to the fact that roughly 1300 of our 8000+ registered members have over 5 posts. One of the previous requirements for eligibility is to have 3+ posts in each of the two preceeding months, but I see that failed to make it into the updated rules I posted... LOL. 20 may even be low...
Using that idea, here is a list of 25 member numbers randomly selected from the entire list:
7634 - lamaredskin - Joined: 8/25/2007 - Total Posts: 0
4661 - CaboKP - Joined: 12/11/2006 - Total Posts: 4
4542 - only993 - Joined: 12/2/2006 - Total Posts: 0
2444 - jaris - Joined: 4/14/2006 - Total Posts: 0
3132 - MyHoopdie - Joined: 7/8/2006 - Total Posts: 2
5363 - cobra777 - Joined: 2/1/2007 - Total Posts: 1
7561 - racerxseven - Joined: 8/17/2007 - Total Posts: 0
3261 - lubinshan - Joined: 7/22/2006 - Total Posts: 0
782 - 98BlackS10Blaz - Joined: 6/22/2005 - Total Posts: 1
3393 - SoDakBlazer - Joined: 8/5/2006 - Total Posts: 1
1007 - bobcat31male - Joined: 8/14/2005 - Total Posts: 0
4018 - tfhickey - Joined: 10/16/2006 - Total Posts: 0
4322 - ChevyB_1028 - Joined: 11/14/2006 - Total Posts: 0
5392 - 07g5gt - Joined: 2/5/2007 - Total Posts: 20
2817 - blazer3 - Joined: 6/2/2006 - Total Posts: 2
6332 - envoy2nv - Joined: 4/23/2007 - Total Posts: 0
7850 - BlazinHaze - Joined: 9/14/2007 - Total Posts: 0
1671 - 00BlueBlazer - Joined: 1/2/2006 - Total Posts: 0
1205 - KurtDCobain4ever - Joined: 10/11/2005 - Total Posts: 10
7632 - jtharp17 - Joined: 8/25/2007 - Total Posts: 2
1789 - Kraker_Jax - Joined: 1/19/2006 - Total Posts: 2
4625 - Nations811 - Joined: 12/8/2006 - Total Posts: 2
5890 - cheap1 - Joined: 3/19/2007 - Total Posts: 0
6619 - ironanimals - Joined: 5/19/2007 - Total Posts: 0
7075 - 99blklt4wd - Joined: 6/30/2007 - Total Posts: 2
Now that was just an exersize more for myself to see how long it would take to get all of that information. With that said, it took me well over 30 minutes to get all of that together. And out of 25 numbers generated and none of them meet the requirements.
On the 12 month waiting period. I'm leaning towards adopting this. There has only been one case (Chevy Lover) where someone has repeated inside the 12 month period and that was for a different vehicle entirely so does that even apply here... And about that, Rob didn't even want to run in the January '07 ROTM, but was encouraged to. I will say one more thing about that. This site has grown by leaps and bounds since the first of the year. We have MANY more members and a growing staff as well. This is primarily why we are having this discussion.
Not that we have been ignoring it, but how does everyone feel about the requirements for eligibility (activity and length of membership)?
Sorry for the long post folks...
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/8/2007 11:59:15 AM
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WhiteTie BlackJacket
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I'm not sure I like the idea of just randomly selecting like you did above, (I was amazed at how many people have been members for months and not made a single post!) and I agree that there needs to be some kind of involvement prerequisite, but not one for mods, as lastcoupe said some of us vote for the people to, not just the truck. I think we should still have nominations, but have limits on how many people you can nominate at once.
I also like the 12 month idea, even though it would probably be rare that that would happen.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/8/2007 12:06:06 PM
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Here's another idea, hopefully someone didnt come up with this since there's alot to read in this thread. Lets say we nominate 5 people for December, and of course 1 person wins. Now the other 4 people can't be nominated till the Febuary ROTM. So in other words 4 people can't be nonminated till the following month that way we don't have the same trucks nonminated every month and it'll give some of our newer members a shot at running for ROTM. Now I feel that members need to wait at least one month before being nominated. We can't really base it on post counts because alot people can't get online alot because of work or other personal reasons. Again someone might have come up with this, but thats just my .02's on it. Oh yea people also have to have galleries to get nominated.
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I just noticed what Blackjacket wrote and if people have zero posts but have been on for awhile should not be considered in the nominations.
< Message edited by nj4x4blaze -- 10/8/2007 12:10:40 PM >
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/8/2007 6:43:22 PM
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lennyblazer
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I agree that you should be on the forum for atleast 3 months before being eligible for ROTM. This gives you a chance to rack up some posts, gain some experience on the forum, and get a feel for the forum, meet some people, and become able to give some advice on their own too.
I like the 12month waiting period if you have already won ROTM, even if you have two vehicles that you have on the forum. Personally I also think that the vehicles that can be voted on should be S10-Blazers, K5s, trailblazer, and anything that shares the same platform. The vehicles do not need to be modded to be voted on, but I am sure it would help.
I like the idea of everyone is only allowed to nominate one person each month and then depending on when you accept your nomination, be placed in a list from earliest acceptance to last acceptance for the first ten days of the month. Then use the randomizer to pick five vehicles and then have people send in the link for their picture and post those up and have voting till the end of the month. The idea that people can not be voted on two months in a row is a good idea. What I would like to see is that say the 4 people that don't win ROTM in July, can't be voted on again till the September vote.
Also Kyle if you want any help running the ROTM, I am more than willing to help out with it.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/8/2007 7:23:57 PM
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davtak
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What if you did something like a post quota or something. That would weed out the people with little or no posts. There is a place in the member profile that shows the date the last post was made on. Just randomizing it for everyone will include the people who signed on the site just to sell something. It might seem like a little work, but if an account has been active for over a year or two with no posts and no login in the past one or two years, it should be deleted for the purpose of the randomizing thingie.
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Now the other 4 people can't be nominated till the Febuary ROTM. So in other words 4 people can't be nonminated till the following month that way we don't have the same trucks nonminated every month and it'll give some of our newer members a shot at running for ROTM. Now I feel that members need to wait at least one month before being nominated. We can't really base it on post counts because alot people can't get online alot because of work or other personal reasons. Again someone might have come up with this, but thats just my .02's on it. Oh yea people also have to have galleries to get nominated.
I did come up with something like that and it was deemed as a little too much work controlling something like that. Could it be done, yes. But with all the other stuff that is being aded, it is a little too much to follow. Good idea though. The randomizing aspect kind of takes care of this problem anyway. My view of this aspect is that say lastcoupe (for example) was nominated for march rotm in '08 and was picked in the randomization and then was picked again in april '08, what do you think the chances would be of being picked again for may '08. I'm sure even if someone was being picked by the randomizing software a few too many times in a row, we would change it to make someone else eligible.
I like the 12 month aspect though. Someone who runs and wins in say november, shouldn't be able to run until the next november, not january like the current rule.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/19/2007 7:58:22 PM
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thegr81
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i agree with alot of what everyone has said about the rotm if your nominated one month and don't win you should be able to be nominated again and if you win you don't get nominated til that month the following year just the whole nominating the nominees would be a lil difficult if you don't know who is still active and who isn't. im just saying that for those who are new, those of us who have been on for a long time and have gotten to know one another know who's here and who's not we know who we can vote for and who not to because there no longer an active member so to sum it up i just like a random choose who want narrow it down to most votes for top 5 then have the regular top 5 vote off for rotm
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/19/2007 9:06:35 PM
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davtak
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That's why I am a moderator of the rotm voting, to help Kyle sort out the voting and catch any mistakes if there is any. I think it will be easier than people think. Shoot me a pm Kyle or meet me on im to discuss how the voting is going to work so I know, if you are going to start it this coming month.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/23/2007 11:59:37 AM
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swartlkk
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Man it's been hectic for me lately! LOL Anyway, Dave, shoot me a PM or catch me on IM. I should be around later tonight as I don't think my Fire Officer 1 course is going to fly this time around. We'll get this hashed out. I think we are going to use the model presented in this thread, but we just have to work out the logistics.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/23/2007 1:30:07 PM
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I hear that. I am working like crazy this week and when I get home, I am too exhausted to do anything. I go on the computer for a bit, but just to check my mail and stuff. I won't be able to get on im tonight(tuesday), but I will go on tomorrow(wednesday) night sometime after 7. I usually log of around 10-11 depending on how tired I am.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/24/2007 1:31:13 PM
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yea i like the idea of being able to vote for any type of car the person has. i for one would like to be able to vote for lets say kyles chevelle when its done thats forsure....and i also no longer have a blazer anymore but like hanging around the forum to see whats up because of the great group of people we have on here and i have a little knowledge about blazers and gm products (currently own a silverado) so.... with that said i guess im just throwing out support of an idea brought up earlier by lastcoupe i believe it was
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/24/2007 5:13:15 PM
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jimmyboy
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maybe i didnt understand it but when we nominate someone we list the prev. nominees and then after the week is up do the nominated people have to accept or is there a secondin process?
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/25/2007 7:02:48 AM
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I have to get the completye rundown from Kyle about how it's going to work, but I'm pretty sure that there is going to be no more seconding. I think that the way it's going to work is that everyone is going to nominate one person per month, sticking with the present rule of no person can win more than once a year. I'm still not sure if these people who get nominated have to accept or not, but I'll find out. I'm pretty certain though that the people who get nominated are going into a pool persay, and five will be picked from that list randomly. And then those five will be the five who go into the voting for rotm. I think it will be more fun this way, and some people who didn't really get a chance before, will now have a chance. The nominating process wil be a little different, but the voting is still the same. Kyle is going to inform me of the changes and how it's going to work. I am going to lend a hand to make sure that the nominations go smoothly. I'm sure that when the time comes, the new process is going to be explained to everyone.
As far as the previous nominees, as far as I know, people can be nominated every month. Not saying that they will be in the voting, because it is going to be random. The only way the same perosn cannot be nominated twice in a row is if they won. Then if they won, they will not be eligible until one complete year later. Not the following year, 12 months later. So say I won the December 07 rotm, I could not be nominated again until December 08 rotm. Like I said, everything will be explained to everyone when the time comes.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/25/2007 8:34:29 AM
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Nomination Eligibility:
This is pretty simple. There are only four criteria that the nominees must meet. 1) Nominees must have been a member for 2 months prior to the month nominations are being held in. 2) Nominees must have 5 posts in each of the 2 preceeding months. 3) All nominees must have a gallery containing atleast one picture of their vehicle. 4) Previous ROTM winners are not eligible for 12 months from the month they won in. So not only do you need to have been a member for atleast 2 months prior to the current month, you also have to have posted atleast 5 times a month. This is to make sure that the nominees are still active in the forum. This goes for any member, not just the new ones!
So Here's the procedure: - Members can nominate one(1) eligible member each during the first week of the month.
- All accepted nominees will be put into a list in order of nomination.
- All nominees must accept prior to the 10th of the month.
- The list will be randomized with the results to be posted in the nomination thread.
- At the same time, the chosen candidates will be notified via PM to send links to the ROTM picture of their choosing (640x480 only please)
- The Voting thread will be setup by the 14th of the month with or without pictures.
I would like the nomination thread to have posts containing ONLY nominations or accepting nominations. The nomination posts should only list the member being nominated and the person doing the nominating (i.e. davtak - swartlkk where I am nominating davtak). After someone has been nominated, they must accept to be put into the list prior to randomizing. Periodically through the thread, either davtak or myself will post a summary of the nominations up to that point. After the first week of nominations, a post will be made stating that nominations are closed and the final list will be created. The nominees will then have 3 more days to accept their nominations. From there, the randomized list of the accepted nominations will be posted and the top 5 will move on to the voting.
Please be assured that the randomization will be unbiased in any way. The list will be copied into the utility found on random.org with the advanced option of the pregenerated randomization from a date to be announced after nominations have closed. This will ensure that if any member were to question the randomization, they could go in and perform the exact same randomization with the list from the nomination thread. The date of the pregenerated randomization will be referenced when the randomized list is posted.
I am going to post a poll on whether this should be BOTM (Blazer of the Month - to include all fullsize, s-series, and GMT360/370 variants), ROTM (Ride of the Month - open to any vehicle in a member's garage), or MOTM (Member of the Month). I also would like to start a poll on doing a 'Member Spotlight' as Jenn (m00nwater) suggested, possibly instead of having just a MOTM voting alone, this would be separated. Well, I'll combine the polls, hows that..?
*EDIT* - Forgot the gallery requirement.
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RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion - 10/25/2007 8:49:14 AM
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davtak
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I was just looking at the post from before about the people who only have like 2 posts or something. Do you think we should have something like if you there is no activity within a few years, the account should be deleted. This would free up some of the confusion, it would probably take a while though, seeing how many people have only a few posts.
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