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swartlkk -> ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 4:45:21 AM)

The staff and other members have noticed that the ROTM nomination procedure is in need of some help to spark some better interest.  This started off as a discussion in the nominations thread for the November ROTM, but I thought it more prudent to move it out into a thread of it's own.  There have been some good recommendations, but I would like to hear from more people.  I have my own ideas and have been trying to think of some more, but I am only one person.  So I (we) need your help!

Here are what a few others have to say:
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ORIGINAL: Mbastet99

Not to get this all complicated, but maybe the problem is how quickly the 5 get chosen and the method....
Don't get me wrong, I check BF every day to see what's up, but I always seem to forget about the ROTM until a few days after the 1st of the month, and by then it's already been decided who the 5 are.
Maybe some kind of "open" nominations for the first week, and then some way to decide who the final 5 should be (least nominated previously or something like that?).  Or a random selection of 5 people who have posted in the previous month that have been members long enough to be eligible (if it is possible by computer program or such to do this)?

I agree that it's just for fun, but wouldn't it be more fun if it were a surprise who the 5 were?  Maybe they could be PMed by the administrator to make sure they wanted to be entered?

And no, this is not sour grapes just because I'm one of the "never been nominated" (I love my Blazer whether it wins anything or not, just so long as it makes me happy), but there are lots of other Blazers on BF that I do admire.

Just my two cents, any one else got change?

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ORIGINAL: lennyblazer

I think that if we had open nominations for a week, then we could select the 5 that were seconded the most. Everyone would be able to nominate 3people they wanted, then they could second 3 people. This way it might be a little more fair and then people know that the nominations would take place the first week of the month, because 3 weeks is long enough for voting. Just my opinion


If I left out a quote that you made, don't take it the wrong way.  I have limited time right now to wade through everything on the site due to work and am trying to get this stuff figured out as well.  Sorry if I forgot your quote, but just post it here again!!


And now, here are my thoughts:

I have been thinking about this for awhile now, but with everything else going on haven't had time to implement anything.  I think we should limit the number of nominations to one per person.  Do away with seconding all together.  I like the lottery aspect and have found a list randomizer online (random.org) that would make this work.  Hold open nominations for the first 10 days of the month.  In the nominations thread, it will be the job of the nominator to add to the list of nominees.

So say I nominate Dave (davtak) and I am the first to nominate.  I start off by stating:
1. davtak - swartlkk

Now if Dave nominates Lenny (lennyblazer) he'll copy Dave's nomination and add his:
1. davtak - swartlkk
2. lennyblazer - davtak

And so on until the 10 days are up.  If there are posts at or around the same time and one ends up being incorrect, then please edit your post to keep the order (I'll help out with that as well).

At the end of the 10 days, I'll take the list that is left and put it into the list randomizer and the top 5 will be our nominees.  Heck,  we could even do different things like invert the list and have the bottom 5 or use only the odd numbers (that could be a poll over the first 10 days of the nominations!).  It could get much more fun this way and there would be a lot of luck involved wit

  
davtak -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 6:17:19 AM)

I posted one too in the earlier posts of this months rotm. My thought is that one person can't be nominated more than twice or three times in a row and one person can't nominate more than two people and the same for seconding. Some people are nominating alot of people and I agree that the five for voting are being picked way too quickly. The idea you had about nominating people for the first week and then randomly chosing the top five sounds like a real good idea to me. If you need a moderaor for this, I'd be happy to lend a hand. I'm on here whenever I get free time.

JST4SHO -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 6:22:08 AM)

Yeah I like the idea of randomization, also takes away the seconding like you said. I think you should keep going with that "hodge-podge" you have there,Swartlk.

rriddle3 -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 7:11:10 AM)

Dave and Kyle, I like your thoughts, but if we can't nominate somebody more than two or three months in a row then the 'randomization' aspect could keep that person from ever getting into the final pool. I see no need for 'seconding'. Let's take the nominees names (whatever number limit is decided), put them into the 'randomizer' and let nature take its course. We can then vote from the first 5, or however many, that pop up from that group. I would suggest that a member be limited to 2 or 3 wins per 12 month period; that way more people get a shot at it. After all, it's really just an honorary award and I would like to see more members get a chance at being declared the winner.
Was this rambling enough?[:)]

swartlkk -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 7:24:18 AM)

We already have a 1 win per calendar year limit and that was set to lay the ground work for a ROTY which I didn't get around to doing this year...

I think it would be way to complicated to keep track of who has been nominated over the last 2 or 3 months to impose such a rule, but I am keeping an open mind with all of this so keep the ideas flowing!

davtak -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 9:31:44 AM)

  I see your point.  People can only win once year anyway, so if people get nominated every month or evry other month (you get my point), they will win sooner or later hopefully.  I think that the random drawing thing will make it a lot more exciting to see who is going to go for rotm every month.  Do you have an idea for a limit on how many people get nominated or how many each person can nominate because I've seen some poeple nominate like 3 people and second a couple too.  That is a little too much cause I think that takes away from other people who want to nominate someone.  This way, everybody is going to get a chance to be either nominated or to nominate thier favorite for rotm.  This is going to work well I think.

Psychropod -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 9:41:50 AM)

Yeah, I agree that there should be no limit on how many times a person can be nominated, but you can only win once per year.  So then the 12 winners are automatically in the pool for ROTY in December.

I also don't think the same person should be able to win ROTY twice in a row.  It doesn't seem likely this would happen anyway, but you never know.

I also like the randomization idea of picking the five candidates per month.

EuroGoldLS -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 9:43:35 AM)

I like the new system you've come up with.

I think we should also set prerequisites(sp?) for ride of the month.  I think maybe you should have at least one performance, one cosmetic, and one audio/visual electronic mod to be able to be nominated. I've seen some over the last few months who are getting nominated just because of who they are.

As davtak said... I'll volunteer to help monitor and moderate ROTM if you need me to.

swartlkk -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 9:51:00 AM)

My opinion is that it isn't the ride alone, but obviously that isn't shared by many others.  To require one mod in each of those categories is asking a lot.  My point is that someone could own a bone stock, showroom quality 93 Blazer (for lack of a better example) and if they didn't have anything done to it other than it still being pristene, they couldn't participate in ROTM.  To require mods to be eligible isn't practical at all, IMO

Anyway, here are the revised rules from DodgeIntrepid.net, where I started out my forum activity so many years ago.  They recently went through a total revamp of their COTM.  There was a controversy over the administration of the previous method that did away with the whole thing.  Anyway, read on if you have some time to kill:

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NOTE: This is a cleaned up copy of the original announcement. This thread has the answers to the concerns raised by the members along with the outline of the contest.

Due to popular demand, the administration has decided that DI.net will once again have a monthly contest where the members select a car to become the "Car Of The Month". We can all pretty much agree that IOM is dead. While this new contest is similar, there are going to be some major changes to make things more fair and less of a burden on the administration than IOM had become.
Because this is a new contest, all previous winners of IOM will be eligible to win. Please keep in mind though that there are many deserving cars that did not win IOM and it would be nice to see the owners of these cars get some recognition. There are many members of this site who have moved on from their LH vehicles but continue to visit the site and modify their new cars. We are opening this contest to all makes and models so they will now be eligible to win as well.
The nomination and voting process will be different as well. The COTM team will make an announcement on the home page when nominations will be accepted. All members will have one week to submit their nomination to the team via PM. These PM's should have the name of the person you would like to nominate for the subject, and nothing else. No messages will be opened and if the name is not in the subject line the message will be ignored. The nominations will then be reviewed by the members of the COTM team who will decide which 5 cars will be eligible to win for that month. The names of these members will then be announced on the home page, along with a link to the voting poll. To combat cheating and make things more fair for the nominees, voting will be limited to premiere and platinum members only. Please keep in mind that all members are still allowed to submit nominations and are also eligible to win. Voting will be open for one week and the winner will then be announced.
The COTM team will monitor the process carefully to ensure that their is no dishonest behavior occuring. Remember that this is a friendly competition and it is only for fun.
Additionally, no abuse of the COTM team will be tolerated, This includes unkind rep messages and negative comments in the forums. If there is something that you think is unfair or if you have a suggestion to make please do so in a PM to the team. We're all adults here and starting a thread for the purpose of complaining accomplishes nothing.
Good luck to everyone!

01-05-2007, 04:40 PM    #2 
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Originally Posted by Bimmer_2002
I'm glad that we finally have a COTM contest. Only thing I don't agree with is the fact that non-LH cars are eligible to win. It kind of defies the point of this club....Anyways, I respect the rules and won't complain. Again this is just my opinion.....When do we start nominating????

Your concern is understandable. Just keep in mind that nominations will come from the members and will be reviewed by the panel. This is one of the reasons why the panel is in place. It was expanded to all cars f

EuroGoldLS -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 9:53:32 AM)

I see what you mean there. Half baked idea. Maybe we should limit it to at least a clean Blazer if not a heavily modded one.
Even though most POS Blazers wouldn't be nominated...
Nevermind.

m00nwater -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 10:28:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EuroGoldLS

I see what you mean there. Half baked idea. Maybe we should limit it to at least a clean Blazer if not a heavily modded one.
Even though most POS Blazers wouldn't be nominated...
Nevermind.


Clean?! That would eliminate the mudders LOL

I like the new proposal you have come up with, Kyle.

And I completely agree that it is not just about the ride all the time, but also about the member.

Maybe it would be a good time to do something like a "Member Spotlight" and this would eliminate the controversy surrounding whether you vote according to the person or the ride (I do both...it depends on the month). Outstanding members could then be recognized as people, not just as their Blazer. Then the ROTM would be all about the ride, not the person.

Another way to resolve it is something that I am not sure we could use with the software here, but on another forum I am on there is a thing for "Giving Karma".

Here's a run-down on how it works:

Karma System

You could use the karma to recognize members and it would alleviate the stress about the ROTM being about the person and not the ride, since there are differing opinions on it.

swartlkk -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 11:05:58 AM)

I think the point is not to limit.  I think the way that we have been going about nominations, the open fashion of them, allows for anyone that meets the current activity and pics in gallery requirements to be nominated.  To restrict things further would be shifting it into a more specialized, almost theme like contest. 
Now we toyed with that idea months back as well.  Kind of a themed ROTQ (ride of the quarter), but with everything as it was then, it just wasn't feasible to setup and implement.  But then you run out of themes and start repeating.  How many lowered trucks do we have?  Lifted?  Offroaded? <-- put my Rainier in there!  Got it pretty dirty last weekend and plan on doing it again this weekend when I'm out checking tree stands.

Now the last two categories get a bit more populated, but, the majority they are not...  There are quite a few trucks with stereos, some with custom paint/bodywork, a bunch with aftermarket rims, but the point is that I would venture to guess that +90% of our users don't have any of this stuff.  I for one didn't have anything like that in my old Bravada nor do I plan on doing anything to my Rainier, but it still doesn't stop me from going through the woods or crossing creeks with either of them.

I think I'm trying to prove a point in there somewhere...  LOL  Sorry about the ramblings.  It's been a hectic day.

And moonie, yes, I do think we need to get some kind of rep system going.

EuroGoldLS -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 12:44:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: m00nwater
Clean?! That would eliminate the mudders LOL

Yet again proves that it was a stupid idea! LOL
I'll keep my thoughts in the oven until they are fully baked from now on!

I think the karma system may be something we can propose later after we do some thinking on it a while..

As far as the proposal about nominations go.... we may can try it for a month and if everyone likes it, let it float!


hillbillyinOhio -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 1:50:47 PM)

the rep system I have seen on other forums has been abused badly.  One one forum (jimmy knows it) the mods can only give rep points for (informative posts, good links, and so on) but it can work well on our forum.  this is a fairly friendly forum and i think it can work.

lennyblazer -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/5/2007 3:37:36 PM)

swartlkk - I like your idea in your first post on this thread, I believe a system like that would make it more fun, slightly harder, and definately a more random way of getting vehicles to vote on. I like this idea a lot. If you want help or an moderator for just rotm or roty thing I wouldn't mind helping out.

Chevy Lover -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/6/2007 1:48:59 AM)

Wow, that's a lot of reading!
Ultimately, I'd love to see every member win ROTM at least once, as all of os feel that our own trucks are special in some way.
I like some of the ideas I've read so far, but honestly, I haven't read it all....yet.
Random draw of nominees...good idea.

WhiteTie BlackJacket -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/6/2007 8:29:38 AM)

I'm with Lenny, I think Kyles first idea would work pretty good, I dont really like the idea of the karma thing, or doing themes b/c as Kyle said about himself, he doesnt have anything done to his to fit into those categories, neither do plenty of other members. But 1 thing I was unclear on w/ Kyles first idea, is what would be random? The final members that we would be voting on based on the nominations? Or the nominations themselves?

otnietdehoooo -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/6/2007 9:17:53 AM)

what if there were more than 5 in the running for ROTM, what if you could vote for one out of a group of 10

EuroGoldLS -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/6/2007 9:31:05 AM)

There would be too many oppertunities to tie, if you look back to July, when we had six rides.... we had a tie.

Mbastet99 -> RE: ROTM Nominations Discussion (10/6/2007 9:33:14 AM)

If Kyle's thinking is like mine.....take all of the rides that were nominated over the week, plug them into the "randomizer" and have the 5 choices to vote for from that.  If it randoms them into a "no particular order" list (ie. not alphabetical, not shortest to longest, etc) then the mod would take the top 5 (or bottom 5, or every other one or whatever) to be the 5 to vote on.

  

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